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New York City Weighs Turning Hotels into Hospitals

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Re: New York City Weighs Turning Hotels into Hospitals

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There was a guy on here a few days ago who owns some hotels. He said he would be fine with this as long as they: paid to move his current customers to his other hotels, cleaned the rooms and returned them to their original condition when they were done, provided safety gear to his employees that would need to keep working, and provide paychecks for his employees that are furloughed. I think. I can't find the comment…

That was yesterday. Listen to Bill Ackman today. Hilton goes to zero if this doesn't get stopped.

If you own a hotel today, you should be begging the government to pay you a per diem.

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> hospitals will be turned to hospital rooms There is a logical mistake in this sentence.

I'll be honest, it won't be much work, and should be done quickly.

Turning a hospital into a hospital room? That’s going to require some serious Time Lord engineering.

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Because the nature of response varies so much in between different locations and local expertise is often best poised to deal with local problems. Federal resources are better for things like logistics (ship 500,000 masks to where they're needed), but New York probably knows how to get aid to New York best. Ignoring local expertise to blindly chase efficiency of large-scale enterprise is perilous.

> Because the nature of response varies so much in between different locations and local expertise is often best poised to deal with local problems. Is that really true here? I can certainly see an urban vs rural divide, but beyond that I can’t see what makes individual states all that different.

It's really true everywhere.

Think about: Setting up temporary hospitals; where is the available capacity, where is the existing capacity. Knowing where people live and how they move around. Who in the area is most at risk and how can their needs best be met? Knowing what logistics capabilities exist. Speaking the local dialect and being able to effectively communicate emergency plans such that they're followed. Who do you talk to to mobilize some local resource?

These are all things that are best implemented locally.

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We actually do have emergency hospitals, though we've historically used ships and been liberal in sending them to aid foreign countries. Obviously we should further extend that strategy for the continental US.

That's one thing I think the Navy will start to do. We will probably begin deploying our ships to coastal cities to provide much needed relief, and I think it was already mentioned that one will be deployed to New York to help out.

The USA only has two hospital ships, it's good to have but it's not going to make a big difference outside of two cities.

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#105
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I wonder why the air aboard cruise ships has to recirculate so much—it seems like cruise ships are usually about 1/2 surrounded by breathable air at normal atmospheric pressure. Is it about heating and cooling, like, passengers would feel very uncomfortable if the air in their cabins had a lot of fresh sea air mixed into it? Do they do something to filter out the salt from the air intake?

Because fresh air needs to be heated or cooled, and that's expensive when you're running everything off diesel. Heat exchangers do help, but they're not perfect, so every bit of outside ventilation costs money. This is why fume hoods which exhaust to the outside can be surprisingly expensive to run in cold/hot climates.

I thought cruise ships run off bunker fuel same as container ships.

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#106
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How is the hotel owner going to maliciously comply in this scenario?

"Yeah with all the stress of this situation I must have forgotten to tell my employees who are working without pay to perform that costly work that you ordered me to with no discussion of renumeration."

Among countless other possibilities. From trivial like rude graffiti in the halls to criminal like direct sabotage. There are documented cases of this whenever shtf and people are forced to keep working. It's the reason that liquidators bring in scabs to replace displaced staff during store closures at announcement.

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I read that the president ordered US hospital ships to be ready near the east and west coasts. I would argue that getting the military exposed to the virus early during peacetime in a staggered way is exactly what we should do. There can’t be many elderly or immunocompromised stationed on those ships and if the entire ship is exposed once, the ship is more resilient in the future. In a few months, the sailors are the…

There's also the fact that Naval ships are built with countermeasures against Nuclear/Biological/Chemical threats in mind, they probably are designed better against a viral threat than a civilian ship, including better air filtration capabilities

These aren't really naval vessels. They're converted tankers, with civilian grade construction. I doubt they have NBC protection, though they should have what you'd find in a normal hospital.

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For a reason. Dorms are shared everything. Not really a great place for isolating people.

Isolation isn't necessary if they're all infected with the same virus.

Does isolation reduce viral load?

Re: New York City Weighs Turning Hotels into Hospitals

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Because fresh air needs to be heated or cooled, and that's expensive when you're running everything off diesel. Heat exchangers do help, but they're not perfect, so every bit of outside ventilation costs money. This is why fume hoods which exhaust to the outside can be surprisingly expensive to run in cold/hot climates.

I thought cruise ships run off bunker fuel same as container ships.

Ah, yeah, you are correct. Still going to be a lot more expensive than shore power thought.
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