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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by adultSwim »

brodouevencode wrote: post #87

Why not fix the root of the problem and remove the totalitarian socialist regime forcing it's citizens to resort to eating wild animals from questionable sources because of the lack of economic opportunity available to them. Forgive the crassness there but in a fairer less restrictive economy this almost certainly wouldn't have been a problem.

Amazon having centralized control is OK but a government having control is not?

China was able to effectively mobilize in ways that are putting us to shame. We should follow their lead and our own path to success in WWII.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by benrbray »

adultSwim wrote: post #75
asclepi wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.

I'm sorry, what? They only started to do the right thing once they realized a cover-up wouldn't be successful [1]. Even then, we're still hearing about attempts to silence scientists and destroy evidence.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavi...

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

jonny_eh wrote: post #38
darawk wrote: post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

> This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices It's also a result of people, around the world (but mostly in China), buying into Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). It creates a market for products based on wild animals like bats and pangolins, which this virus originated from.

It is utterly bizarre to believe that eating different animal flesh will provide some sort of unique medicinal properties. It’s all pretty much muscle or fat tissue which is all very similar between wildly different organisms. Animals aren’t like plants or fungi which make a huge library of secondary metabolite compounds that do work as medicine. Like all archaic belief systems, let us hope that with enough time the light of science shines in.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by synaesthesisx »

darawk wrote: post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

Imagine the unlucky individual that undercooked a bat and triggered a global pandemic and recession.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by amluto »

Ignoring the over the top description of the wet markets, I have two other major problems with this article:

1. It seems that COVID-19 may not have come from the market in the first place:

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-may-not-ha...

2. TCM may have its flaws, but it has its successes too. Artemisinin comes to mind: TCM appears to have been spot on and led to the best currently available treatment for malaria.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by makomk »

oiasdjfoiasd wrote: post #37
darawk wrote: post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

American Swine Flu in 2009 killed tens of thousands of people. To say it could not have happened anywhere is wrong.

I don't think we're actually sure where swine flu originated. It was first identified in America, but that might just be because their flu surveillance is better than other countries.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by [deleted] »

arcticbull wrote: post #78
_jal wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.

I'm a lefty, so I think it's important to consider that viruses or diseases are often named for the first person to have them, discover them or the region in which they originated. - Hodgkins Lymphoma is named after... Thomas Hodgkin who discovered it. - Ebola is named after the Ebola River in the DRC. ( https://goo.gl/maps/dF1MMnpBBwXpAZ3k8 ) - Lyme disease is named after Old Lyme, Connecticut. ( https://goo.gl/maps…

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by brodouevencode »

adultSwim wrote: post #111
brodouevencode wrote: post #87

Why not fix the root of the problem and remove the totalitarian socialist regime forcing it's citizens to resort to eating wild animals from questionable sources because of the lack of economic opportunity available to them. Forgive the crassness there but in a fairer less restrictive economy this almost certainly wouldn't have been a problem.

Amazon having centralized control is OK but a government having control is not? China was able to effectively mobilize in ways that are putting us to shame. We should follow their lead and our own path to success in WWII.

The difference being Amazon could and would have competitors. The CCP does not, by the force of a gun.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by Waterluvian »

darawk wrote: post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

I don't think we should go out of our way to be racist. But I'm struggling to be outraged by a spade being called a spade. Apparently the origin of CV-19 wasn't random. Maybe China deserves however amount of international shaming is required to evoke reform.

Or better than shaming is actual penalties. Maybe we ban wet markets and blacklist nations who allow them.

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