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New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by mixmastamyk »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #520
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I know a journalist who works almost exclusively on iPad and iPhone. Their salary is somewhere in the mid 6-figures thanks to employees owning half of the publisher. About 2 million people read a text she wrote on her balcony last week. But, somehow, that's not "real work", apparently. From what I was able to gleam from similar comments over the last few months, I guess "real work" mostly involves regularly swapping…

Strawman. Saving and copying files are a standard end-user task that have little or nothing to do with your list.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by vlunkr »

qubex wrote: post #436
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

Yeah you're right, I'm coming from a developer perspective. I think I would make an exception if your work benefits from a good touchscreen.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by SiVal »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #555
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I've got both the Surface Pro and an iPad Pro 10.5. They excel at different things but that is to be expected, they are converging on something else and that was unexpected. When I travel I bring both. I am a heavy user of Cellular connectivity with my iPad Pro. It is my go to device on the road and while travelling, open it up and it just works. It runs a long time on a charge and it has apps that respond quickly fo…

When I go to a place where people are working--an office, a university library, a coffee shop--I see a sea of laptops and no iPads. Even in places such as Stanford libraries, where it is a sea of MacBooks, the people who provably buy lots of expensive Apple products don't buy iPads for work.

And iPads have been outselling Macs on a unit basis for a decade, so even people who buy iPads don't seem to find them suitable for general office/school-type work (as opposed to use as specialty terminals carried by inspectors or mounted on fast food counters).

Some combination of form factor and iOS's "you'll only hurt yourself with tools, so we've replaced them with lots of fun ways to buy entertainment" design ethos has so far failed to make iPad the computer replacement that Apple always claims it is. Instead, it's more of a personal entertainment center.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by p1necone »

chrisseaton wrote: post #434
vlunkr wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

Stop shutting your brain off because you don't like peoples terminology.

This argument pops up regularly on HN and it's always the same - it's all people talking past each other. One half is saying "iPads don't cover as many use cases as laptops" and the other half is saying "but look, my specific anecdotal use case is covered". You're not even disagreeing with each other, just missing the point.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by justinclift »

bakakid wrote: post #507
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

As an illustrator, the workflow on the iPad Pro using a tool like Procreate is amazingly simple, quick and portable. Compared to something like my old com tablet, I am much more likely to grab the iPad and pencil and draw, then go to my studio where my computer is setup and draw. Even the difference between wacom/graphics tablet and iPad with the pencil is almost night and day, no lag or parallax on the iPads is a hu…

Interesting. Using a Cintiq can be better than a tablet with some applications ("feels more natural") too.

https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays

Have you used a Cintiq much? Would be interested in a comparison of that vs the iPad Pro's. :)

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by petecox »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #568
qubex wrote: post #438

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Probably because developers and system operators, while a large majority here on Hacker News, actually represent a tiny minority of actual users. Developers’ workflows are essentially outliers.

Simple things should be easy, hard things possible. That's the essence of good design. Not, prevention of minority use cases.

Well at least it finally has a trackpad, after years of insisting that no one would ever want to manipulate the UI with a mouse pointer.

un-prevention, of sorts.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by askafriend »

ogre_codes wrote: post #561
askafriend wrote: post #451

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It's clear no one here knows any 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians, etc Because if they did, they wouldn't make some of the silly comments I've seen here.

> 3D artist, illustrators, graphic designers, UI/UX designers, photographers, videographers, musicians, Lots of use cases in many of these professions. In particular, there are a lot of professional artists/ illustrators have switched to the iPad. I also know there is an active community of iPad accessories and software for musicians. Also, while many of the above mentioned professionals can't move their entire workf…

Yeah that's what I was saying. We're in total agreement.

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Post by pms »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #555
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I've got both the Surface Pro and an iPad Pro 10.5. They excel at different things but that is to be expected, they are converging on something else and that was unexpected. When I travel I bring both. I am a heavy user of Cellular connectivity with my iPad Pro. It is my go to device on the road and while travelling, open it up and it just works. It runs a long time on a charge and it has apps that respond quickly fo…

I've recently acquired a used Surface Pro 5 with Cellular connectivity as a replacement for my old iPad (many apps don't work yet on the newer Surface Pro X, the successor with Cellular connectivity to Surface Pro 5). I take it with me everywhere nowadays and I'm very happy with it.

I agree that Tablet Mode in Windows isn't as good as iOS on iPad. On the other hand, I just want to carry with me one mobile computer/tablet, not two.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by mamon »

Addition of LiDAR seems consistent with my theory that Apple is actualy a branch of NSA:

* first they put fingerprint scanner in the home button, so they could collect fingerprints of all their users.

* then they put FaceID, so now they have a high-res scan of everyones face

* now they are putting LiDAR so that they can scan your whole body, and map all your surroundings.

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