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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by ralmidani »

danShumway wrote: post #443
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

It makes a ton of sense if the iPad is cheaper than the Surface. It stops making sense because of Apple's pricing model. The original argument for tablet computers in the first place was that sometimes you don't need a full-fledged computer, so you pocket $400-500 and get something cheap instead that's a limited but still quality device. And I think that would still be true with the iPad Pro. You want something that'…

That may have been the original argument for tablets, and if you want to save money by skipping the keyboard, pointing device, and overpowered processor, you can buy a new iPad for about $300.

The iPad Pro is expensive, but “Pro” implies you want a device that can do things which are useful to professionals.

As a developer, I am better served by an actual MBP for work and a cheap iPad for less-productive tasks, but not everyone is a developer.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by AgloeDreams »

LeoTinnitus wrote: post #441
AgloeDreams wrote: post #362

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Don't forget that it is backlit and because it has power in also adds effectively an additional USB C port, thow in a case and you are well over the top. The current Smart Keyboard Folio + Magic Trackpad 2 is $310.

I guess. I mean but at this point, why not just by a macbook?

Why not just buy a Surface laptop instead of a Surface? I think it's just a transition over time.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by enos_feedler »

shamino wrote: post #487
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

We need to stop seeing the iPad Pro and Surface Pro as equals. iPad Pro is a luxury item, and it gives me so much more pleasure to use it. Aesthetics, design, the way I feel - these things matter. And they matter to most humans. We're not robots who only need to get a certain task accomplished. We need to feel happy.

They aren't equal products, but iPad Pro isn't "luxury" either. They are just different products with different value for different users and use cases. Both products make their own users very happy. Proof is in all the comments in this thread.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by cptskippy »

xvector wrote: post #499
djsumdog wrote: post #480

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Which is why I hope this doesn't pan out either. I like desktop OSes and I like having major OSes that are not locked down by ridiculous app stores. Stop doing app stores. They work in Linux because they're open package repos, we can add our own tress/signatures in and can have a lot of control over them. App stores are bastardizations of this concept. They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe?…

> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable) It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not. Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump…

> So it’s not completely locked down either.

iOS and iPadOS pretty much are.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by saagarjha »

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

> Maybe you can do that now but you couldn't when I had my iPad Pro.

You can do that now.

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Post by filoleg »

cptskippy wrote: post #524
xvector wrote: post #499

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> They offer some additional security for the non-tech user (maybe? It's questionable) It’s not questionable at all, the App Store has been a cornerstone of the iOS security model for years. You can look at how many millions of Android users are constantly infected because it turns out that most people have zero concept of when to trust a third party or not. Either way Apple does let you run your own apps if you jump…

> So it’s not completely locked down either. iOS and iPadOS pretty much are.

The parent comment very clearly and explicitly described how one can work around that lockdown on iOS and iPadOS with MDM and Xcode or something like TestFlight functionality. They weren't talking about macOS, because you can run whatever you want on it after disabling a couple of toggles in the security settings once (just like on Windows10).

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Post by airnomad »

I would love to use iOS devices but somehow I just can't accept I can't run Linux on them. I understand, it's all great and neat and etc. but I also believe IT professionals should use open source OS if possible at all. I don't have strong arguments for this so I understand people have different expectations and understanding.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by kylec »

LordOfWolves wrote: post #518

Like other commenters, I will never buy another iPad unless it comes preloaded with a desktop-like operating system (like macOS) versus iOS. One would think Apple has explored doing this - putting OSX/macOS on an iPad - given that Microsoft put Windows on the Surface and gained market share as a result. Why they haven't released any consumer/commercial iPads with a desktop-like operating system, an OS whose first ver…

You can't just take a non-touch OS and release it on touchscreen devices. It makes more sense to try and add additional power/functionality/versatility to the already touch-based iOS, which Apple is doing, than it does to try and redesign macOS for touch.

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Post by cptskippy »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #504
cptskippy wrote: post #456

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It seems like they're slowly implementing paradigm safe versions of features from Desktop OSes into iPadOS in order to gradually bleed off the MacOS userbase since locking MacOS down to the App Store paradigm didn't pan out.

I like how you've seamlessly switched from the decade-old conspiracy theory that has become untenable to this legend where it "didn't pan out". (Just barely, and probably thanks to opposition in the far corners of the internet) The alternative explanation, which has far fewer moving parts and doesn't require an assumption of bad faith, is that the Mac App Store was obvious after the iOS Store success, and so was a ma…

> I like how you've seamlessly switched from the decade-old conspiracy theory that has become untenable to this legend where it "didn't pan out".

I'm not really sure what you're talking about but sure.

Apple was hoping they'd introduce the MacStore everyone would flock to it in droves. Unfortunately the revenue sharing scheme and onerous requirements and restrictions put upon the Developers have made it an undesirable distribution mechanism for anything that isn't given away free.

Apple's improvements to MacOS have all been about locking down and protecting the user because for years they claimed it was immune to malware and virus right up until the problem was too big to ignore. The past few releases of MacOS have been reminiscent of Windows Vista.

Apple would love to lock the platform down to be like iOS but the users have spoken with a resounding "f*ck you". So instead they're gradually developing a competing platform that is build from the ground up to be the unprivileged walled garden with a big ass toll booth at ever point of entry.

And you're sitting here taking the Apple approach of deny deny deny right up until you switch and say "it's better this way".

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by comex »

danShumway wrote: post #443
vlunkr wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

It makes a ton of sense if the iPad is cheaper than the Surface. It stops making sense because of Apple's pricing model. The original argument for tablet computers in the first place was that sometimes you don't need a full-fledged computer, so you pocket $400-500 and get something cheap instead that's a limited but still quality device. And I think that would still be true with the iPad Pro. You want something that'…

Except the MacBook Air doesn’t have better specs than the iPad Pro. iPad processors have benchmarked comparably to laptop x86 processors for a while now. The iPad has a display which is around the same size but higher-resolution, 120Hz, and with support for touch and the pencil. Storage options are comparable. And the iPad has other random hardware like LTE, better cameras, and now LIDAR. On the other side, the MacBook does have more RAM, more ports, and a larger trackpad. But that’s not enough to call it a clear winner in specs.

It really comes down to form factor and OS.

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