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New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by p1necone »

chrisseaton wrote: post #434
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

He's not being a barrister on his iPad though, he's just taking notes. And I question whether an iPad pro gives you anything over the cheaper options for that.

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Post by 0xff00ffee »

rs23296008n1 wrote: post #496
0xff00ffee wrote: post #421

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How does one develop for windows without develop on windows? cross compilation? [Even electronjs cannot cross compile (correctly).]

Cross compilation from linux targeting windows is possible. I'm only doing it for C++ but I'd assume others are doable.

Oh yea, if I wanted to really torture myself I could dev exclusively on windows with, like, the ARM toolchain for GNU. That would be insanity. I thought you meant cross compiling the other way: from linux/mac to windows.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by chrisseaton »

p1necone wrote: post #511
chrisseaton wrote: post #434

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> if you want to any real work Here we go again with this 'real work' nonsense. What counts as 'real work' to you? A friend of a mine is a barrister and uses an iPad pro to take and use notes. He's definitely doing 'real work' just fine on his iPad.

He's not being a barrister on his iPad though, he's just taking notes. And I question whether an iPad pro gives you anything over the cheaper options for that.

> he's just taking notes

That's how a barrister does part of their work.

When I develop software I'm 'just writing a program'. But I'm not - I'm forming a mental model of what I want to do and working out how to express it.

You can make any job sound silly by reducing it to its constitutive actions.

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Post by sulam »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

Speaking for myself, it does one thing incredibly well: email.

It probably seems absurd to imagine it would do that thing better than other places where I can do that thing, but it's probably 20 or 30% better at email than my other options.

And I do a LOT of email.

I keep an iPad Pro (with keyboard) to the left, and when I want to do email, I look left and do it there. That keeps me focused on my main windows.

I do think that it would be possible for someone to write an email client that is as efficient as the iOS Outlook app is, and maybe it already exists for non-Outlook, but in my current corporate environment the iPad pro is a lifesaver.

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Post by dodobirdlord »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #432
sirn wrote: post #159

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Cmd + . actually acts as Escape key on iPadOS. It’s not a replacement for a physical escape key, but I don’t find it too hard to adopt.

What about on MacOS? The trackbar escape key is super flaky...

There's a setting to convert caps lock into escape.

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Post by p1necone »

roenxi wrote: post #500
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

I remember observing when the iPad first came out one of its big selling points was is was a few hundred dollars cheaper than everyone expected and it kneecapped the competition who all had offerings in the pipeline that were sorta similar, not Apple and cost more. How times change.

Apple got popular by being good, now they're popular they don't have to be good any more. It's the same story as all (hyperbole) big brands.

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Post by saagarjha »

skrowl wrote: post #510
vlunkr wrote: post #422

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This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

You're correct. The target demo for iPad Pro is (and has really always been) only for Apple superfans. You can get something like an Asus Zenbook 13 for hundreds less, which has a real i7 CPU, supports much more software, has a dedicated GPU, etc. while weighing about the same and having about the same battery life.

> The target demo for iPad Pro is (and has really always been) only for Apple superfans.

There’s a lot of Apple superfans in the world, then…

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Post by LordOfWolves »

Like other commenters, I will never buy another iPad unless it comes preloaded with a desktop-like operating system (like macOS) versus iOS.

One would think Apple has explored doing this - putting OSX/macOS on an iPad - given that Microsoft put Windows on the Surface and gained market share as a result.

Why they haven't released any consumer/commercial iPads with a desktop-like operating system, an OS whose first versions were able to run on a 7.8 MHz processor (the Motorola 68000) and 128 KB of RAM, is beyond me. Of course the more recent the OS, the greater the hardware requirements, but I do not see it impossible to "fit" a version of OSX/macOS to a tablet.

Does it all come down to avoiding cannibalization of Macbook Air sales?

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Post by enos_feedler »

cptskippy wrote: post #456
qubex wrote: post #436

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I’d wager that much of your incredulity regarding the suitability of iPads to doing “real work” hinges very sensitively upon what your conception of “real work” is, and that your judgement of utility follows suit. I’ve been using a succession of iPads as my main computing platforms since the first iteration was released ten years ago . Initial releases were a bit of a compromise, but the arrival of multitasking, mult…

It seems like they're slowly implementing paradigm safe versions of features from Desktop OSes into iPadOS in order to gradually bleed off the MacOS userbase since locking MacOS down to the App Store paradigm didn't pan out.

It is more about bleeding off the Windows userbase than the Mac userbase for Apple. Also, the MacOS App Store not panning out is far from over. It's hard to imagine an endpoint for MacOS where the App Store doesn't succeed. While most see the App Store as a destination for discovering and installing apps, it's really a secure distribution technology that will succeed because the market has already proven it necessary for safe and secure computing at scale.

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Post by IAmEveryone »

vlunkr wrote: post #422
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

This is why I don't understand how there's even a market for the iPad Pro (outside the Apple superfans). I like iOS, but it seems like if you want to any real work it's an uphill battle, and for the money there are plenty of alternatives.

I know a journalist who works almost exclusively on iPad and iPhone. Their salary is somewhere in the mid 6-figures thanks to employees owning half of the publisher. About 2 million people read a text she wrote on her balcony last week.

But, somehow, that's not "real work", apparently.

From what I was able to gleam from similar comments over the last few months, I guess "real work" mostly involves regularly swapping hardware components, overclocking the CPU, daisy-chaining a dozen USB devices, micromanaging kernel compile flags, automating the micromanagement of kernel compile flags, aggregating optimisation metrics in a dashboard, running benchmarks, upgrading npm/homebrew/gem/go packages on a daily basis, and reorganising keyboard layout.

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