May I suggest starting with Trump Tower?
New York City Weighs Turning Hotels into Hospitals
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#52Hospitals rely on 100% outside. Meaning they don't recycle existing air already circulated. Pretty sure hotels don't have that kind of HVAC.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the parent meant using them as mobile quarantine/treatment centers for confirmed cases.
The point about the recirculating air means that whoever is caring for the sick is also going to get sick.
1) It's a common myth that HEPA filters don't filter viruses because they're too small. In fact, they work basically just as well on small particles as large ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the nature of response varies so much in between different locations and local expertise is often best poised to deal with local problems. Federal resources are better for things like logistics (ship 500,000 masks to where they're needed), but New York probably knows how to get aid to New York best. Ignoring local expertise to blindly chase efficiency of large-scale enterprise is perilous.
> Because the nature of response varies so much in between different locations and local expertise is often best poised to deal with local problems. Is that really true here? I can certainly see an urban vs rural divide, but beyond that I can’t see what makes individual states all that different.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the spirit of the idea (keeping them away from others), but other than that, it's not a wise idea: >Keeping all the passengers on board instead of letting them disembark on land is a strategy that can backfire, however, according to experts, because the ventilation systems and close quarters of cruise ships make them ideal places for illness to jump from one person to the next. >“They’re not designed as quaran…
I wonder why the air aboard cruise ships has to recirculate so much—it seems like cruise ships are usually about 1/2 surrounded by breathable air at normal atmospheric pressure. Is it about heating and cooling, like, passengers would feel very uncomfortable if the air in their cabins had a lot of fresh sea air mixed into it? Do they do something to filter out the salt from the air intake?
This is why fume hoods which exhaust to the outside can be surprisingly expensive to run in cold/hot climates.
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#57Gov. Cuomo a couple days ago asked cities in the NY state to identify where they could fit improvised beds. The quota for NYC was 5,000. Seems like hotels are an obvious choice, given their optimal layout and how empty they are https://cornellsun.com/2020/03/16/cuomo-proposes-converting-...
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#58That sounds like a good idea. I hope one thing comes out of this pandemic: that our governments, local and federal, stockpile portable tent hospitals and equipment that can be put in place quickly for future problems. I doubt this will happen in the USA, but that is what I hope happens. I think health infrastructure is part of national security and should receive appropriate resources.
Totally agree but not to be pedant, but state governments should have some sort of emergency provisions as well. Some people forget we're the United States for a reason. Each state is actually it's own "functional" government. Maybe we should start training state troopers as well for some of these possibilities.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because the nature of response varies so much in between different locations and local expertise is often best poised to deal with local problems. Is that really true here? I can certainly see an urban vs rural divide, but beyond that I can’t see what makes individual states all that different.
Population density. Climate - so far COVID 19 seems to thrive better in cold and dry conditions. Culture - not all measures will be easily sold to all. Medical fatalities - availability and capacity.
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#60I hear NYU and Columbia's dorms are empty.