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Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

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Post by vorpalhex »

fock wrote: post #12
yiyus wrote: post #5

This is a great initiative, but it looks to me like most of these projects are directed to help the US. That's totally understandable, but there are many people all over the world willing to help with this, and it would be great if we could also collaborate to help everyone. For example, as an engineer, I was interested in helping with the 1M ventilators project, but reading the description it looks like the goal is…

Do I missunderstand something or isn't it necessary for the real bad cases to intubate the person needing the ventilator? I think the bottleneck here is a lot more complicated than "moaaar" ventilators. Also if you have 1 Mio. people on ventilation, these probably are not able to move on theirselves, so you need a care person to turn them every hour. Additionally hooking them up to a ventilator and pressing "play" se…

So think of care in this case being a pipeline, and right now the bottleneck is ventilators. Once we solve that, we may well have other bottlenecks, but right now this is the main one.

Well designed modern ventilators once set require minimal attention, and the overall settings for most COVID cases seem to be well understood from what the literature has suggested.

In terms of bacterial infections, it depends on the type of ventilation used and there are some variables here, but regular ventilator sanitation procedures should be fine, and currently have proven to be fine.

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

#42

Post by Engineering-MD »

aaron695 wrote: post #25

This should have started months ago when it hit China to help them. So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance (The excuse is they have no one to care for them after ICU, but we know the real reason) Tinder for fake family's for instance?

I mean that’s just unhelpful. Caring for patients after ITU is a real challenge and if they are triaging a very limited resource it makes sense to give it those who are likely to survive long term when there isn’t the medical facilities to look after them without family input.

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

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Post by vorpalhex »

aaron695 wrote: post #25

This should have started months ago when it hit China to help them. So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance (The excuse is they have no one to care for them after ICU, but we know the real reason) Tinder for fake family's for instance?

> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance

This is false and not aligned to the current guidelines[^1] put out for triage of cases.

> So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now.

People need groceries today. Projects are attempting to fill those gaps we need, not the theoretical ones we might have tomorrow. Sure, you should keep an eye on the future, but you need to address the present.

[^1] - PDF WARNING http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20document...

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

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Post by awb »

aaron695 wrote: post #25

This should have started months ago when it hit China to help them. So try to be forward thinking. Don't just think in the now. In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance (The excuse is they have no one to care for them after ICU, but we know the real reason) Tinder for fake family's for instance?

> In Italy some places don't treat people without families for instance

This is like those books of morality questions but in real life.

No one feels good about the outcome but when there are scarce resources decisions need to be made.

That's why we want to "flatten the curve" so we don't have to make as many of these no-win decisions.

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

#45

Post by eezurr »

Please consider reaching out to your elderly neighbors and offering your time to gather groceries/supplies for them. Or posting a note near the entrance of your apartment complex with your number. This alone will have a huge impact. They have a very real chance of dying if they contract covid-19. Take a moment to imagine how you would feel if you could not safely leave your home.

A lot of us have the amazing comfort of working from our own homes, isolated from the rest of the world. In roughly 2-3 weeks, the epicenter locations of this disease in the US are going to run out of hospital beds. If you are younger and healthy, please consider asking your boss if you need to be working full time right now. Watch your state governor's and mayor's press conferences. They will communicate to you where you can go to help volunteer.

We are going to transition to "war time leadership". A time that will test everyone's true character.

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

#46

Post by fortran77 »

bentona wrote: post #16
fortran77 wrote: post #10

> Help With COVID is a marketplace for people (especially software engineers) to find projects to contribute to, and for projects to find help. Do you know how "software engineers" can "help with COVID?" By getting into their cars and bringing supplies to elderly people in their neighborhood.

There is at least one project listed specifically to enable this.

No there isn't. There's a project to write software to build a platform to do this. Just knock on doors.

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

#48

Post by fock »

vorpalhex wrote: post #41
fock wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I missunderstand something or isn't it necessary for the real bad cases to intubate the person needing the ventilator? I think the bottleneck here is a lot more complicated than "moaaar" ventilators. Also if you have 1 Mio. people on ventilation, these probably are not able to move on theirselves, so you need a care person to turn them every hour. Additionally hooking them up to a ventilator and pressing "play" se…

So think of care in this case being a pipeline, and right now the bottleneck is ventilators. Once we solve that, we may well have other bottlenecks, but right now this is the main one. Well designed modern ventilators once set require minimal attention, and the overall settings for most COVID cases seem to be well understood from what the literature has suggested. In terms of bacterial infections, it depends on the t…

are you a doctor or why are you so sure? In italy they don't have space, ventilators or personel. As this is not a time-independent pipeline-problem with human lifes at stake, I don't think that it's really effective to say: just let's do one part after the other without even knowing that someone is taking care of the rest)

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

#49

Post by catalogia »

fortran77 wrote: post #10

> Help With COVID is a marketplace for people (especially software engineers) to find projects to contribute to, and for projects to find help. Do you know how "software engineers" can "help with COVID?" By getting into their cars and bringing supplies to elderly people in their neighborhood.

Well my throat's been feeling a little scratchy recently, so I think I'd better not. ;)

Re: Covid-19 projects looking for volunteers

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Post by rozularen »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #27
yiyus wrote: post #5

This is a great initiative, but it looks to me like most of these projects are directed to help the US. That's totally understandable, but there are many people all over the world willing to help with this, and it would be great if we could also collaborate to help everyone. For example, as an engineer, I was interested in helping with the 1M ventilators project, but reading the description it looks like the goal is…

> Sorry, but I want to help people everywhere, not just in the US. The whole world needs ventilators. The US is part of the world. This is like people who think that global oil prices are irrelevant if the US produces more than it consumes. They're talking about building ventilators. That causes more of them to exist in the world. Then when the US needs them, they use those instead of outbidding other countries for e…

I think you still didn't get the point? He's just saying he wants to help with a global project not the ones focused only on US
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