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Re: Mac mini

#21
Still no real GPU.

It's the reason I went back to a MacBook. What drew me in is the desktop class i7. At the time the Mini outperformed all other Macs in benchmarks, and it is noticeable and fast during compile times etc.

Once you connect a 4k Screen (or even more screens), an eGPU becomes a must have. The integrated one just can't do smooth UI rendering. For example typing in IntelliJ always felt laggy, because it takes so long to redraw I guess. Or things like Google Maps on satellite view in a big browser window will stutter a lot. All the subtle macOS animations aren't smooth and so on.

Bothered me so much I had to sell it. Was thinking about keeping it as media center for the TV, but again, no GPU makes it less then ideal, and its way too powerful for the job otherwise.

Re: Mac mini

#22
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The Mac Minis are still expensive and underwhelming (even when maxed out) when compared with the top of the range NUCs with even AMD GPUs. The Skull and Ghost Canyon NUCs are great for Linux CIs or building large projects or I could even go far to either Hackintosh a few NUCs to surpass the need to buy a Mac Mini anyway for next 5 years. Thanks, but I would skip this Mac Mini and go for the latest maxed out NUC inste…

Are Hackintosh a practical reality? (genuine question)

They are, but I would only use one as a second device besides a real Mac. Setup and updates are relatively painless if you choose the right hardware and store additional kexts not on the system OS partition but the EFI boot partition.

Biggest troubles are WIFI and Bluetooth (and therefore continuity, needs one of a few selected cards), graphics (no nVidia) and keyboard and trackpad (for desktops, use used Apple peripherals) as well as sound in some configurations (might use a Bluetooth speaker if BT works).

It always can happen that you mess up (or need access to a real Mac for downloading the OS in the first place), so have a Backup and wait a few days after system updates appear, read forums about possible showstoppers and necessary precautions. That said, Catalina is still not perfect and troubles may not be caused by the hackintosh but the OS.

Re: Mac mini

#23
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Any music production geeks have a recommendation on whether a relatively maxed out new Mac Mini could be a worthy DAW? Keep in mind I need macOS to use Logic, and don't want the hassle of a Hackintosh.

more than easily. Fantastic albums have been made with way less CPU / Mem grunt than these new Mac minis.

Some of them without any CPU horsepower at all!

(I jest, I know what you mean. I made one with pretty much just an iPhone although it's definitely not fantastic.)

Re: Mac mini

#24
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Anyone has experience with Mac Mini + eGPU combo and can share a bit about it (e.g. as alternative to Mac Pro or iMac?)

I've got a maxed out Mac Mini with the 8th Gen hexa core i5, 64 GB ram and 1TB of storage along with a Radeon Rx 580 8GB in a Razer Core X.

I think if you're using it for a specialized application with eGPU support, game development, or gaming in Windows via bootcamp it's a passable solution (albeit with lower performance than a native card).

On the for something like web development, it's finicky - Chrome won't pick up on the external GPU unless you have an output directly from the Mac Mini to the graphics card along with separate output from your Mac Mini to your external monitor (which means a lot of plugging and unplugging cables whenever I boot up the machine).

If I could afford a Mac Pro or had space for an iMac, or if Apple actually made the xMac I'd buy those in a heartbeat.

Re: Mac mini

#25
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post #5

The Mac Minis are still expensive and underwhelming (even when maxed out) when compared with the top of the range NUCs with even AMD GPUs. The Skull and Ghost Canyon NUCs are great for Linux CIs or building large projects or I could even go far to either Hackintosh a few NUCs to surpass the need to buy a Mac Mini anyway for next 5 years. Thanks, but I would skip this Mac Mini and go for the latest maxed out NUC inste…

Are Hackintosh a practical reality? (genuine question)

Define "practical".

I have used and installed Linux and BSDs for a long time, and yet I had a look at the suggested procedures and I went "nope". There is basically a 50/50 chance that it will work, some features will likely not work at all (particularly cloud-related services), and every little update might doom your machine. Fun project for the hardcore Apple hacker, but imho it would be foolish to base your day-to-day production needs on such a build.

Re: Mac mini

#26

Still no real GPU. It's the reason I went back to a MacBook. What drew me in is the desktop class i7. At the time the Mini outperformed all other Macs in benchmarks, and it is noticeable and fast during compile times etc. Once you connect a 4k Screen (or even more screens), an eGPU becomes a must have. The integrated one just can't do smooth UI rendering. For example typing in IntelliJ always felt laggy, because it t…

The performance depends very greatly on the resolution you run the 4K screen at.

If you're using a non-evenly scaled resolution (i.e. not exactly 1x or 2x rendering) it's not gonna be fantastic. Running at 'default' 2x my 2018 runs 2x 24" 4Ks without issue - the problem most people have I think is that they buy much larger displays and then want to use a higher rendered resolution, which is where the iGPU will struggle.

Re: Mac mini

#27
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Anyone has experience with Mac Mini + eGPU combo and can share a bit about it (e.g. as alternative to Mac Pro or iMac?)

I have a 2015 15" MacBook Pro with an eGPU containing a Vega 64. I haven't really had any issues with it other than some OS hacks to get it working with TB2 instead of the fully supported TB3.

Re: Mac mini

#28
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Anyone has experience with Mac Mini + eGPU combo and can share a bit about it (e.g. as alternative to Mac Pro or iMac?)

I use a 2018 Mac mini with an OWC Helios FX enclosure with a stock AMD Vega 56 GPU. My workload is some light gaming (Mac only no windows/boot camp) and 3x4K displays in scaled modes for web/software dev.

The mini itself is compact, fast, and generally great. Handles VM based dev workloads well. It’s small and quiet (not always silent though).

I used the machine with just the built in integrated GPU for a few months. For gaming it was bad. For lots of 4K screens it was... doable, in the sense that you could actually plug them all in, but UI effects would lag and it felt weirdly disjointed. Some tasks would be very fast then hit a GPU related thing (scrolling, OS animations, etc) and lag, stutter, making the system feel slower than it was.

Got the eGPU and it was 100% plug and play. Works beautifully, completely fixes all the UI issues, games generally run great (as good or better than my previous hackintosh with the same GPU in a direct PCI slot)

I’ve run into a few very small issues. USB-C connector tolerances are not always tight enough to reliably move equipment while it is all on, so sometimes if you grab the mini and drag it around (maybe to position it to plug in another cable) the GPU can disconnect. This generally falls back “gracefully” to the internal GPU but can be a bit annoying. You also have to think a bit more about heat management in your space. The GPU and mini all get hot when under load, you can’t stuff them in an unventilated hole. Overheat behavior is generally that the GPU shuts off and needs to be power cycled.

Compared to an iMac... The iMac is probably a better standalone deal and experience. However, in my case I have many machines and many displays. Mini+GPU lets me share generic displays across multiple machines in a way that an iMac simply can’t. Especially if you have existing windows gaming hardware where you can “recycle” the previous gen GPU in the Mac it can be way more cost effective. The GPU I am using is more powerful than you can get in any mac other than the Mac Pro.

Vs the Mac Pro... well the Mac Pro is better, but costs 4-a zillion times as much. kind of different ballparks. If you want a headless desktop and don’t need the Mac Pro crazy, a mini+GPU is a good option.

As a budget option? Mini+enclosure+GPU isn’t particularly cheap. My setup was ~2k without displays and I have a fairly simple spec setup (512GB, 16GB ram, slowest 6 core).

Where it shines is in modularity with other equipment. I can share the eGPU with laptops, share the GPUs with other windows machines, and share displays with other machines, in that environment it is cheaper and more flexible.

Re: Mac mini

#29
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Are Hackintosh a practical reality? (genuine question)

They are, but I would only use one as a second device besides a real Mac. Setup and updates are relatively painless if you choose the right hardware and store additional kexts not on the system OS partition but the EFI boot partition. Biggest troubles are WIFI and Bluetooth (and therefore continuity, needs one of a few selected cards), graphics (no nVidia) and keyboard and trackpad (for desktops, use used Apple perip…

>Setup and updates are relatively painless if you choose the right hardware

Agreed. But this is where "I'll pay an extra $200 to not have to worry about that" comes into the equation

Re: Mac mini

#30

Still no real GPU. It's the reason I went back to a MacBook. What drew me in is the desktop class i7. At the time the Mini outperformed all other Macs in benchmarks, and it is noticeable and fast during compile times etc. Once you connect a 4k Screen (or even more screens), an eGPU becomes a must have. The integrated one just can't do smooth UI rendering. For example typing in IntelliJ always felt laggy, because it t…

The performance depends very greatly on the resolution you run the 4K screen at. If you're using a non-evenly scaled resolution (i.e. not exactly 1x or 2x rendering) it's not gonna be fantastic. Running at 'default' 2x my 2018 runs 2x 24" 4Ks without issue - the problem most people have I think is that they buy much larger displays and then want to use a higher rendered resolution, which is where the iGPU will strugg…

Isn't "4K" the resolution??
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