Why is this post title in English while the actual article linked is in Italian?
Shouldn’t they have to match?
50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
What no one is talking about is how much social distancing/isolation is needed to avoid hospital saturation. I ran the numbers for Canada, and it looks like we'd need isolation measures for 2+ years. I don't see how that's a feasible solution long-term.
> What no one is talking about is how much social distancing/isolation is needed to avoid hospital saturation. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/s... People are talking about it, that talk is driving policy, and the answer is “with some local adjustments possible based on caseload, until there is an effective vaccine developed and deployed, which will probably be 18+ months”, and the alternat…
By my estimate, we would need to shutdown 10 years worth of life in order to save 1 year of life from Coronavirus.
And those shutdown years are in the peak working years, whereas the years saved are in the twilight years.
The suppression strategy is hugely economically destructive. We should not accept it. Politicians need to isolate the elderly and prepare the public to accept hundreds of thousands of deaths within the elderly population - ie. doing their job and making hard decisions for the good of us all, instead of just pushing all of the cost to businesses and individuals.
Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#463I live in Japan and I experience mild symptoms since last Wednesday but not sure if my symptom is due to Covid-19. In Japan, You have meet two conditions to take a CPR test. 1. the symptoms with fever of 37.5 degrees or more continue for 4 days or more (for the eldery and those with underlying disease, "4 days" becomes "2 days") 2. you have strong laxity (malaise) or breathlessness (dyspnea), or you have underlying d…
Are you having issues with your smell/taste? A german virologist talked to symptomatic patients and found that most patients were stating that they lost smell/taste for days. "Almost all infected people we interviewed, and this applies to a good two thirds, described a loss of smell and taste lasting several days." https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavi...
Loss of taste is caused by loss of smell, is my understanding. That is consistent with the colds that cause significant nasal congestion causing a loss of the ability to smell and therefore taste as well.
I have read that a few of the "common cold" infections are also caused by different species of "corona virus" so this is perhaps not too surprising.
Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there is a more reasonable explanation why they are not testing you. Simply because they wouldn’t do anything with that information anyway. If the test is positive they’ll send you home to quarantine telling you to call back if your fever worsens. If the test would show negative, they’d tell you, guess what; “please call back if your fever worsens, and stay in quarantine anyway”. So the information doesn’t re…
> So the information doesn’t really matter. It would matter to me. If I know I have it, I would stay at home and have somebody else do shopping and leave stuff in front of the door. If I dont know that, I do shopping by myself. Having it or not is also difference between whether one can join one of those programs where young people shop for elderly and leave stuff in front of the door. Of course the caution must be t…
It doesn't make a real difference to policy makers. If anything, it introduces more red tape. The number of available hospital beds is the critical number here. If the people who need hospital beds rises significantly, there has to be an administrative decision to open more impromptu hospital space to deal with it.
If you're sick, but not needing a hospital, the public communication has already mentioned what you need to know. Try to self isolate. Avoid being in crowds. Avoid coughing in crowds. Testing people that are only going to recover without assistance is simply stretching the necessary resources even more thin. And...some countries have mandated that covid19 folks be totally isolated. That's unmanageable when 1/5 to 1/3 the population already have it, and becomes more to do without much benefit. For those places, it shines a light that the government can not manage this problem, even if most will make a full recovery.
Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#465Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm going to be giving up on this thread in a moment because people aren't even reading what I'm reading and definitely aren't answering in good faith. The original claim was that people over the age of 80 aren't being treated because they don't have the capacity for it. I queried if they were sure about that, because the Italian government was saying that's not true. An Italian has now replied to that same post also…
Lombardy is not the worst hit place so far. Wuhan is.
Sorry, I meant "at the moment". Wuhan is apparently now in the tail end (if you believe the PRC). But I didn't say that. Precise communication is hard!
Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there is a more reasonable explanation why they are not testing you. Simply because they wouldn’t do anything with that information anyway. If the test is positive they’ll send you home to quarantine telling you to call back if your fever worsens. If the test would show negative, they’d tell you, guess what; “please call back if your fever worsens, and stay in quarantine anyway”. So the information doesn’t re…
The results of the individual test might have limited use to the individual. But the idea that the information won't be used is nonsense. It's invaluable for the overall response. We have only the vaguest of ideas how many people (in the U.S.) are infected. The more information we have about cases with few or no symptoms, the more we can understand the spread and take appropriate measures (that will also be more obvi…
In my experience, government/businesses/schools have been slow to close without confirmed test results. If you don't get the tests, no one is going to pull the trigger on quarantining. That is frustrating to me.
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're obviously not useless. They do keep spittle down. But every person in public would have to wear them in the off chance they're asymptomatic carriers. And a virus will still penetrate most masks through the sides where air is mainly being pulled in from. So there is more nuance than just "masks are useless" I guess you can wear them. But given the choice I'd rather have immunity. And I think we should focus mo…
Masks decrease R0. You don't need everybody to wear them. You just need enough people to wear them for R0 to fall below 1, combined with all the other measures. It's academic because there aren't enough masks but it's a lesson to learn for a future epidemic. Also it's high time that mask wearing becomes culturally normalised in the West as it is in east Asia.
> You just need enough people to wear them for R0 to fall below 1
This is the point I wanted to make but I went with "everyone" instead of "enough"
For what it's worth, I think you'll find here in the US at least a very pigheaded attitude towards wearing masks. And that includes myself. I just don't want to live in a world where everyone has to wear masks. It's soul crushing.
Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#469Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic
#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that is the only reason for the claim that masks are useless. Of course they are not useless, Chinese aren't idiots.
Oh come on. A) nobody is making that claim - you are. So don't turn this into some weird non-fact-based appeal to emotions. The claim that they are useless is because the evidence does not support them. They ARE useful in clinical settings, and heavily required there. B) there is no evidence for their success: 1) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51205344 "implementing simple hygiene measures" was vastly more effecti…
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