OxyGEN: Open-Source AMBU Respirator
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OxyGEN: Open-Source AMBU Respirator
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#3I'm impressed. Maybe those guys in Italy who 3d printed the valves can 3d print some of these components. I'm guessing the doctors there would be willing to try anything at this point.
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#4I'm impressed. Maybe those guys in Italy who 3d printed the valves can 3d print some of these components. I'm guessing the doctors there would be willing to try anything at this point.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow.
That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by someone more knowledgeable in this case.
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#5I'm impressed. Maybe those guys in Italy who 3d printed the valves can 3d print some of these components. I'm guessing the doctors there would be willing to try anything at this point.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow. That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by so…
> This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations.
I totally agree with you... but in the case where there are no respirators available at all, I'd rather have a 10% chance of secondary infection or contamination than just die.
I don't see a device like this as being a replacement for a $50k computer controlled machine, but as a stopgap in desperate emergencies.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow. That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by so…
> This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. I totally agree with you... but in the case where there are no respirators available at all, I'd rather have a 10% chance of secondary infection or contamination than just die. I don't see a device like this as being a repl…
> I totally agree with you... but in the case where there are no respirators available at all, I'd rather have a 10% chance of secondary infection or contamination than just die.
But what if that 10% requires much more and longer medical care, doctors attention etc, such that someone else dies because they didn’t get treatment? I’m not saying it definitely is, but presumably the tradeoffs from a medical perspective are about more than about one personal perspective (which of course is a rational perspective)
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#7I'm impressed. Maybe those guys in Italy who 3d printed the valves can 3d print some of these components. I'm guessing the doctors there would be willing to try anything at this point.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow. That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by so…
The other issue is that an ambu-bag doesn't work the same way a ventilator does, and can't provide the functionality that a critically ill respiratory patient would need. It can shove air into the lungs, but it can't manage pressures during the other phases of ventilation (which are equally, or even more, important).
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow. That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by so…
> This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. I totally agree with you... but in the case where there are no respirators available at all, I'd rather have a 10% chance of secondary infection or contamination than just die. I don't see a device like this as being a repl…
Dont forget that the third world has none of those 50k but all of that crisis right now..
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like this can be produced much faster on a CNC. 3D printing of large parts is extremely slow. That said, I'm not even sure this is useful at all in practice, since I'm not a doctor. This needs to work on an intubated patient, and be able to maintain a sanitary environment, neither of which it'll probably be able to do to the extent required by health and safety regulations. But I'd love to be proven wrong by so…
The other issue is that an ambu-bag doesn't work the same way a ventilator does, and can't provide the functionality that a critically ill respiratory patient would need. It can shove air into the lungs, but it can't manage pressures during the other phases of ventilation (which are equally, or even more, important).
> but it can't manage pressures during the other phases of ventilation (which are equally, or even more, important).
Can you please elaborate on this? What pressures and what phases are involved? The author explicitly calls for help and input from people to make it more functional and easier to built. Maybe your concerns can be addressable and they would be helpful. In Italy doctors have to pick who to connect ventilators as they don't have enough number of them. This thing has the potential to save at least 1 more patient if not thousands.
Re: OxyGEN: Open-Source AMBU Respirator
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The other issue is that an ambu-bag doesn't work the same way a ventilator does, and can't provide the functionality that a critically ill respiratory patient would need. It can shove air into the lungs, but it can't manage pressures during the other phases of ventilation (which are equally, or even more, important).
> but it can't manage pressures during the other phases of ventilation (which are equally, or even more, important). Can you please elaborate on this? What pressures and what phases are involved? The author explicitly calls for help and input from people to make it more functional and easier to built. Maybe your concerns can be addressable and they would be helpful. In Italy doctors have to pick who to connect ventil…
> In Italy doctors have to pick who to connect ventilators
I've read that this was exaggerated by the media. A doctor said that they _may at some point have to_ pick whom to treat, which the press has interpreted as them writing death warrants to those over 80.