I wish our politicians would just fucking own it and declare their own surveillance state rather than this bullshit death of a thousand cuts public/private partnership horseshit.
U.S. govt, tech industry discuss using location data to combat coronavirus
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#12Wouldn't it make more sense to work with the cell service providers? Surely at least some people turn off location permissions? I would think the cell service providers have much more reliable data.
> I would think the cell service providers have much more reliable data.
Google tracks location history from GPS and this is accurate to at most a few meters and it can be use to check if people walked by each other on the street.
As far as I know phone service providers don't have anything similar. The cell you're connected to can cover an entire neighborhood.
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#13Conveniently they already have a system that can track associations N hops from any given person.
Which is based on discrete data from a graph built from phone calls, fixed line locations and SMS/email meta data. It doesn't have (from the Snowden dump) selectors for intersecting location tracks. TBH, I just don't think that is the way the FBI finds dead drops.
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#14This should've happened a long time ago. I really think there should be more cooperation between governments and tech companies so they can come up with solutions like this much faster like they did in China
What solutions did they come up with in China?
Some surveillance and a lot of footwork.
Cell phone location data helps to suggest if a person has travelled to certain location with their regular phone but that is about it.
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#15This should've happened a long time ago. I really think there should be more cooperation between governments and tech companies so they can come up with solutions like this much faster like they did in China
/s
I hope.
Explicatory edit: The CCP, like every government in history, is motivated to conceal its human rights abuses. China also lacks a free press, an important window into its current events. Accordingly, there are obstacles in the way of justly assessing China’s response to this crisis.
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#16This should've happened a long time ago. I really think there should be more cooperation between governments and tech companies so they can come up with solutions like this much faster like they did in China
I'd prefer to just get arrested every time I sneeze.
Hey, you’re in America. So stop sneezing or I’ll shoot you! /s
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#17Just ask the NSA they already have all of it, with decades of control data too.
I guess they'd prefer to maintain appearances.
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#18This should've happened a long time ago. I really think there should be more cooperation between governments and tech companies so they can come up with solutions like this much faster like they did in China
What solutions did they come up with in China?
> What solutions did they come up with in China?
New York Times science reporter Donald G. McNeil Jr. explains in this video, and in this article:
https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1238604080571772928
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/health/coronavirus-china-...
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#19They already have a mechanism to do this -- it's called a John Doe (wiretap) warrant.
What they really want is full take -- the complete location movements of the US population. This would be useful for COVID-19 tracking ... and authoritarian control.
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#20I'm curious, if I have no internet access and gps turned off on my phone (Samsung Galaxy S7) is there still hidden shit which is tracking my location? .. Like, is GPS not really turned off for example?