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HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

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Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

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Post by scarface74 »

smt88 wrote: post #76
lallysingh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.. if you're in more than one cloud, and want a singular solution.

This is pretty rare, and it's getting rarer. Clouds are successfully locking people in volume discounts, proprietary technology (like AWS Aurora), and non-transferrable configuration tasks. I agree that cloud-agnostic tooling should exist, but as a for-profit company trying to find a large customer base, it's not a big market.

AWS Aurora is not “proprietary”. It’s basically a fork of Mysql/Postgres with a more performant storage layer.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

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Post by techntoke »

mbag wrote: post #77
techntoke wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can find the Kubernetes deploy here: https://github.com/hashicorp/vault-helm I can't share the Ansible stuff because it isn't public.

Thanks. Too bad Ansible playbooks are not public. To be clear I'm not defending Hashicorp, as I have played quite a bit with their tools (only opensource versions) and getting deployments production ready, can be painful, especially setting up security correctly, with so many moving parts. I know about Helm chart for Vault (btw also created and maintained by Hashicorp). It's quite handy for quick deployments, but get…

True, I think the nice thing about Vault Helm chart (and Consul) is that you can swap in the enterprise image. You can customize the image to your liking as well. It is lightweight and easy to scale comparably. There is definitely extra work involved, but the Ansible playbook is just sequential tasks that could be baked into the container and make it a lot faster.

I'm a big fan of Kubernetes and Helm/Kustomize as a whole, though there are times where Terraform and Ansible makes sense too.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#83

Post by atonse »

derekchiang wrote: post #6

I had the chance to work with Armon as a contractor at HashiCorp when I was in college. Armon was absolutely one of the most down-to-earth leaders I've ever seen. Even though he was technically brilliant and I was only an undergrad, he never made me feel like I was stupid or inexperienced, but rather patiently guided me towards the best solutions, so I was able to gain a lot of confidence and grow a lot along the way…

I've never met any of them but the culture just seems fantastic from the outside. Glad to see it isn't a facade.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#84

Post by smt88 »

scarface74 wrote: post #81
smt88 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty rare, and it's getting rarer. Clouds are successfully locking people in volume discounts, proprietary technology (like AWS Aurora), and non-transferrable configuration tasks. I agree that cloud-agnostic tooling should exist, but as a for-profit company trying to find a large customer base, it's not a big market.

AWS Aurora is not “proprietary”. It’s basically a fork of Mysql/Postgres with a more performant storage layer.

Even if you're right about that, it doesn't refute my overall point that clouds are seeking to create lock-in and succeeding to some degree.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#85

Post by scarface74 »

smt88 wrote: post #84
scarface74 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS Aurora is not “proprietary”. It’s basically a fork of Mysql/Postgres with a more performant storage layer.

Even if you're right about that, it doesn't refute my overall point that clouds are seeking to create lock-in and succeeding to some degree.

Once you’re at any scale, you’re already de facto locked in. “Infrastructure has weight”. It’s a major undertaking to migrate infrastructure once you e spent time creating data, setting up a hybrid network infrastructure, training, going through compliance, DNS entries, configuration, load balancers, validation and regression testing, etc.

The typical large corporation depends on so much third party software and so many services, it’s a pain and costly to migrate from any of them.

You can’t imagine how much coupling companies can do to something as simple as WorkDay.

I wish all of the idealists who want to maintain “cloud independence” would do a thought experiment and set up a realistic project plan and budget to migrate their infrastructure to another platform even if they didn’t use any proprietary offerings.

And then take that plan to their CTO and see where he wouid place it on the list of priorities for their company and do a realistic cost/benefit and risk analysis.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#86

Post by ksec »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
manigandham wrote: post #27

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How many checks does it take to payback $175M? The VC treadmill is concerning for many tech companies.

Fortune 500 companies represent two-thirds of the U.S. GDP with $13.7 trillion in revenues, $1.1 trillion in profits, $22.6 trillion in market value, so there's money to be had in helping them accommodate cloud agnostic best practices through tooling. There are lots of companies that aren't tech companies, but who still need tech (insert the caveat "software eating the world", "all companies are tech companies", and…

>There are lots of companies that aren't tech companies,

I would like to expand on it even more, MOST companies aren't even tech.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#87

Post by inshadows »

dynamite-ready wrote: post #71

A bit of caveat, but do many people here still use Vagrant?

I'm playing with it. I don't like the "middleware" plugins, but after more research, since it's all Ruby, I managed to put a tweak into my Vagrantfile to force my order of execution (plugins vs. provisioners).

The startup of the vagrant CLI is sooo damn slow! It takes seconds to print help... That's my major problem with it.

I'd rather see something more lightweight, but this gets the job done quickly.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#88

Post by jen20 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #61
jen20 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems unlikely to be true (I haven’t measured but worked there). Perhaps it’s true of Terraform where testing is verbose anyway, but it’s almost certainly not of Packer, for example.

Why not? Testing packer would mean specifying a large number of machine configurations, building them, and verifying the output images. Why would that be smaller than the actual code?

I just cloned Packer from the master branch, and via a (very) crude mechanism looked at the number of lines of code in `_test.go` files vs the number of lines of code in `.go` files which do not have the `test` build tag, excluding vendored libraries.

There are approximately 60,000 lines of test code, vs 149000 lines of non-test code.

Other HashiCorp products have a much higher test to production code ratio, but it is by no means uniformly 10:1.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#89

Post by unethical_ban »

smt88 wrote: post #76
lallysingh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.. if you're in more than one cloud, and want a singular solution.

This is pretty rare, and it's getting rarer. Clouds are successfully locking people in volume discounts, proprietary technology (like AWS Aurora), and non-transferrable configuration tasks. I agree that cloud-agnostic tooling should exist, but as a for-profit company trying to find a large customer base, it's not a big market.

Then call my Fortune 100 bank rare. Everything we do is going with a multi-cloud strategy where it makes sense, especially around secrets management and infrastructure as code.

Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation

#90

Post by ksatirli »

mbag wrote: post #77
techntoke wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can find the Kubernetes deploy here: https://github.com/hashicorp/vault-helm I can't share the Ansible stuff because it isn't public.

Thanks. Too bad Ansible playbooks are not public. To be clear I'm not defending Hashicorp, as I have played quite a bit with their tools (only opensource versions) and getting deployments production ready, can be painful, especially setting up security correctly, with so many moving parts. I know about Helm chart for Vault (btw also created and maintained by Hashicorp). It's quite handy for quick deployments, but get…

There are a handful of Ansible Roles that are community-maintained that might be of interest to you:

- https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-consul - https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-nomad - https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-vault

(These were originally started by brianshumate who did an amazing job that makes starting out from scratch easy)

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