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Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by rmellow »

BoorishBears wrote: post #48
1_player wrote: post #7

Say what you will about stealing, illegality, unsavouriness. If the film industry would collectively take their head out of their arses and provide such a simple interface and wide catalogue to the masses, they would make hundreds of billions. I would literally pay $50 a month for an official and legal version of this. The end users don't really care that it is not possible because "legal reasons". This app proves ot…

I don’t really get this. The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). They’ve spent BILLIONS making the movies that make up these catalogs. And before you say “well they already made it back” let me remind you we’re on a tech forum, what industry makes the most money from “selling the same experience over and…

The movie industry doesn't lobby because "their product is so good people are stealing it". They lobby because they can, as do other industries no one wants anything to do with.

My country passed laws to have a minimum percentage of national movies showing in theatres at any time. Lobbying has nothing to do with demand.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by BoorishBears »

imgabe wrote: post #58
BoorishBears wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really get this. The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). They’ve spent BILLIONS making the movies that make up these catalogs. And before you say “well they already made it back” let me remind you we’re on a tech forum, what industry makes the most money from “selling the same experience over and…

> The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). Sure, they're entitled to think whatever they want. The reality is that the marginal cost of making a digital copy is near zero. Their work is widely available for free to anyone who cares to look for it. And it is extremely unlikely that the average person would…

The marginal cost of a digital copy of a piece of software is almost 0$

The negative consequences of just stealing it are pretty low

Unfortunately so much software has become a thin client for a fat backend, so it’s a little harder, but all said are definitely industries that pay 10,000$ a seat for software that was mostly written 20 years ago and is patched to keep it hobbling along

They’re not really going to besides waging larger and larger wars on copyright and forcing DRM

The thing is, I don’t really “shame” anyone, but I understand when “normal people” steal movies and shows

When technologists do it, it’s the biggest WTF for me.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by globular-toast »

What effect is this going to have on torrent swarms? It seems to me that if everyone downloaded blocks in order it would defeat the purpose of bittorrent and mean the beginning would be seeded much better than the end.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by severine »

pachico wrote: post #44

I'm a huge fan of swing manouche (jazz style developed during the '40s). I can't find albums in legal sources that I can instead find in Nicotine++ (a Linux version of the old Soulseek). What should I do? Accept that I won't find it? I remember once writing to an Aussie record label asking for a copy of an old album of Brett Garsed. They told me I wouldn't find it here in Europe nor they had the means to send it to m…

Fellow Soulseeker here. The compensation copyright tax ended in 2011:

Cancellation of the fee

On March 24, 2011, the National Court annulled the order that regulates the rates applicable to the various devices and supports recorded with the digital canon. The reason is that, because it is a regulation, it needed procedures related to supporting and economic reports that were not carried out.

On July 12, 2011, the Congress of Deputies voted favorably on a non-law proposal that urges the Government to abolish said canon and replace it with another compensation formula for authors and content owners that is more suited to copies and uses actually made.

On December 31, 2011 the canon was definitively repealed by the newly constituted new Congress of Deputies, being replaced by a new payment this time by the State whose procedure is about to be developed.

Source (in spanish): https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_por_copia_privada_(Espa%...

I join the clapping, sorry for the nitpick!

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by BoorishBears »

rmellow wrote: post #61
BoorishBears wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really get this. The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). They’ve spent BILLIONS making the movies that make up these catalogs. And before you say “well they already made it back” let me remind you we’re on a tech forum, what industry makes the most money from “selling the same experience over and…

The movie industry doesn't lobby because "their product is so good people are stealing it". They lobby because they can, as do other industries no one wants anything to do with. My country passed laws to have a minimum percentage of national movies showing in theatres at any time. Lobbying has nothing to do with demand.

You’re trying to twist words by saying “so good people are stealing it” and using lobby to encompass literally every type of lobbying, which is ridiculous.

Good or bad, people will steal it because they feel entitled to it.

They lobby for things like DCMA enforcement and DRM because people steal it.

If people didn’t steal it, there would be other things to lobby about, is that your point?

I don’t think that wasn't obvious but sure.

My point is the things stealing leads them to lobby about things related to stealing, which are things that end up not being great for anyone.

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I mean to be clear, the cat is out of the bag and this line of thought is more of a thought experiment than anything.

People steal, DRM exists and DCMA exist, the status quo is set.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by tadzik_ »

iwasakabukiman wrote: post #55
rafaelvasco wrote: post #39

If it's not on Netflix or any streaming provider, I have no choice but to pirate it. Plain and simple. Most media content is still outside the main providers.

That’s absolutely false. You have the choice not to watch it instead of stealing it.

How is that anywhere close to stealing? The only person who loses anything in this situation is the person that chose not to pirate the content that was not available to them.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by wlesieutre »

q3k wrote: post #15
awicz wrote: post #4

Serious question about torrents: How is this not stealing? I'm not trying to be judgemental. I certainly don't have any room to do so as I used Napster and the likes back in the day. Now with the advent of Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix, etc, I'm genuinely curious to know the moral argument for using services and platforms that utilize torrents to distribute media other creators are actually trying to sell? Edit: Appare…

We were fine for a while. Netflix killed film/series piracy for me - for a while it literally made no sense. Then, every copyright owner realized they want a slice of the streaming cake - (HBO, Disney+, all the cable networks...) and started making their content exclusive on their platforms. Now, instead of a single Netflix (or anyone else, really) subscription I would have to pay for a dozen, that I would rarely use…

Same boat, I haven't torrented a movie in years because Netflix gave me a good way to pay for them.

But now I have two streaming subscriptions and the catalog between them is still too sparse. I think I'd need 4 or 5 separate subscriptions to stop losing the "is this somewhere that I can watch it?" game.

Plus I have a VPN account that my phone and tablet are connected through almost all the time. I don't like having to leave that turned off when I want to watch something, often I'm multitasking and it means whatever else I'm doing is now connecting from my home IP address.

Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by [deleted] »

rado wrote: post #57

I've tried many times to purchase/stream films online, cash in hand, only to be denied because of various BS reasons. This is all that needs to be said about the industry and piracy.

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Re: Popcorn Time 4.0

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Post by imgabe »

BoorishBears wrote: post #62
imgabe wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The media industry collectively thinks what they make is worth the collective cost of all their streaming services (probably hundreds of dollars a month). Sure, they're entitled to think whatever they want. The reality is that the marginal cost of making a digital copy is near zero. Their work is widely available for free to anyone who cares to look for it. And it is extremely unlikely that the average person would…

The marginal cost of a digital copy of a piece of software is almost 0$ The negative consequences of just stealing it are pretty low Unfortunately so much software has become a thin client for a fat backend, so it’s a little harder, but all said are definitely industries that pay 10,000$ a seat for software that was mostly written 20 years ago and is patched to keep it hobbling along They’re not really going to besid…

I've used some of that $10k per seat software (AutoCAD and Revit). While that is expensive, businesses pay it because 10k is the revenue from one project using it. A very small project at that. It is also much easier to track down and sue a business compared to someone watching a movie alone in their room.

Companies that sell that software like Autodesk and Adobe also have the sense not to worry too much about individuals pirating it because more people who know how to use it means more customers later.

DRM will always fail because the content has to get decrypted at some point if anyone is going to see it.

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