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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by alkonaut »

DeonPenny wrote: post #15
chance_state wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to spread misinformation here, but u thought I had read several times that children are almost immune from symptoms but can still carry it.

Yeh but like babies. Or really sickly people.

Not even babies, and of thousands of small children I'm sure there have been those exposed that have all kinds of diseases such as severe asthma, diabetes, heard conditions, cystic fibrosis etc. Luckily it seems that small children either don't contract the illness at all, or do so with little to no symptoms.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by aritmo »

lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

Exactly the same.

Considering that antimalarial drugs have positive impact against COVID-19, do you happen to be a carrier of thalassaemia?

Those with the trait of thalassaemia happen to have a better chance not contracting malaria, hence the prevelance around the Mediterranean.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by dna_polymerase »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #21
DeonPenny wrote: post #9

We've known this for a while. Everyone will get it. You might have it now. Nothing will happen. Still, quarantine for a while because you'll give it to an older person or kid. This isn't about a 20-something year old getting sick. Let your anti-bodies make yourself non-contagious. We are all kindergartens and this is chickenpox basically.

If everyone will get it as you say, the elders will too.

Yes, it isn't even about protecting the old. The sole purpose of the quarantines and self distancing is to avoid the healthcare system to collapse. Corona will become a constant companion for mankind, unless people get, one day, broadly vaxxed. But since we can't get people to vax for far worse diseases this won't happen.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by eteos »

pcl wrote: post #99
md224 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect the true numbers are about 10x-50x the reported confirmed cases. This is good in that it means the death rate is also off by that factor, but bad in that there will not be enough fear/incentive for the primary carriers (young adults) to adhere to adequate social distancing. If the death rate is off by 10x-50x, isn't this approaching the death rate of seasonal influenza, in which case we didn't actually ne…

The disease also appears to spread much faster than the flu. So even if the death rate is comparable, the infection rate is likely to be far higher.

This is likely because our immume system is not familliar with this virus yet.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by GreaterFool »

I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread?

I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks.

Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by kevingadd »

GreaterFool wrote: post #115

I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread? I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks. Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

I think some of the logic behind "masks are useless" is that if people believe masks will prevent it, they'll get too reckless about going out as long as they have a mask. Sadly many people wear masks incorrectly and other people will wear masks that don't actually block viral particulates while out there acting more dangerously than otherwise, spreading disease.

IIRC anything below N95 isn't going to do much, and from experience (yay wildfires) I can say wearing N95s is very uncomfortable. Incidentally even physicians wearing proper PPE (n95 or better, etc) can still catch COVID, so it wouldn't be appropriate to say that those are good enough.

It's certainly better than nothing - I'd prefer it if everyone out and about was wearing masks - but the risk of false security leading to dangerous behavior is strong, and we already have issues with mask supplies, so it makes sense to discourage it.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by he_is_legend »

GreaterFool wrote: post #115

I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread? I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks. Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

There is a huge shortage of masks in the west - even hospitals are running out.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by archseer »

GreaterFool wrote: post #115

I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread? I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks. Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

It's business as usual because the government refuses to increase testing. They're pretending there's no cases because they don't want to cancel the Olympics later this year. For a more realistic figure look at South Korea where mask usage is about as common as here.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by himinlomax »

kevingadd wrote: post #116
GreaterFool wrote: post #115

I keep hearing “masks are useless”. If every person who has any cough or any chest tightness or any sore throat, however mild, put on a mask, wouldn’t that stop the spread? I live in Japan. It started here earlier but didn’t explode. Nothing is closed. Business as usual. everyone wears masks. Most cases in Hokkaido. Maybe because it is much colder there and easy to overexposed and tax the immune system.

I think some of the logic behind "masks are useless" is that if people believe masks will prevent it, they'll get too reckless about going out as long as they have a mask. Sadly many people wear masks incorrectly and other people will wear masks that don't actually block viral particulates while out there acting more dangerously than otherwise, spreading disease. IIRC anything below N95 isn't going to do much, and fr…

> I think some of the logic behind "masks are useless" is that if people believe masks will prevent it, they'll get too reckless about going out as long as they have a mask.

Lying to people for their own good may be acceptable in some circumstances, but in the long run it's always going to have deleterious effects. It erodes trust, it disincentivizes responsible people, and if the people doing the lying are wrong ... it makes things worse.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by Reelin »

ncallaway wrote: post #54
username90 wrote: post #12

"Everyone we found to have Covid-19 had serious symptoms, so we don't want to waste money testing you if you don't!" I feel this is a trillion dollar mistake, testing more aggressively like South Korea means that you don't have to deploy the army and quarantine people. I had mild symptoms and they refused to test me, what am I to do? Self quarantine without a notice and hence without pay? I could work from home, but…

I'm not sure if you're quoting something or paraphrasing a position you disagree with. If it's a paraphrase, I'm not so sure it's a fair one. In the United States, for example, we are urging people not to be tested unless they have severe symptoms. The reason for that is not to save money, but it's for a lack of testing capacity. As a policy we would much prefer to be testing even the mild suspected cases. But we don…

> it's for a lack of testing capacity

I feel compelled to point out that it's purely a lack of _authorized_ testing capacity, although things seem to have improved recently. The test itself is relatively trivial from a scientific perspective.

The fact that our bureaucratic apparatuses were so ill prepared for such an event I find highly concerning.

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