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Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by jopsen »

watwut wrote: post #72
trymas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self quarantine without a notice and hence without pay? If you have symptoms of _any_ illness you should always get a sick leave and stay at home. It does not matter if it's covid, seasonal flu or just a common cold - sick leave and stay at home.

I agree with you and practice that. But even in tech where work from home is an option and companies are rich enough to let people stay in bad anyway, in many companies it is treated as heroic to push through. Meaning, staying at home makes you seen as less comited and less passionate. Thus, people avoid it.

> in many companies it is treated as heroic to push through.

I disagree, I see myself as weak for staying home an extra day or two, but I don't see others as weak for doing the same.

Today, I think the pressure to push through is mostly self-imposed. That's makes it no less real though.

Personally, I don't like sitting in an office with someone who is coughing. During the current virus out break, I doubt anyone will appreciate you pushing though :)

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by torpidor »

lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

Similarly, I'm not a confirmed case but I've been isolation since Friday just out of general precaution, and I developed a mild chest tightness while here. I was sure it wasn't covid because I didn't have a fever, but just a few hours ago I checked again and I have a borderline one (99.4). Then my girlfriend got an email that someone tested positive from the same floor in her office.

I don't qualify for a test and my doctor said don't bother coming in with my current symptoms and risk profile. Still waiting to hear back about whether my girlfriend qualifies, who has a closer connection to a case and an underlying health condition.

Last weekend we were very nearly at a small conference. We had zero symptoms. Even now I'm not sure if I have covid, a cold, or if I'm just stressing myself into seeing something that isn't there.

I would be a lot more stressed if I had gone to that conference, and given people there whatever it is I have.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by md224 »

lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

> I suspect the true numbers are about 10x-50x the reported confirmed cases. This is good in that it means the death rate is also off by that factor, but bad in that there will not be enough fear/incentive for the primary carriers (young adults) to adhere to adequate social distancing.

If the death rate is off by 10x-50x, isn't this approaching the death rate of seasonal influenza, in which case we didn't actually need to adhere to social distancing in the first place?

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by ElFitz »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
blahedo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, sure, if you have sick leave. The above comment is perhaps aspirational, but otherwise it is woefully ignorant of the sad, sad state of US healthcare for most of its residents.

It's a problem everywhere. Sick leave is something you take when you have high fever or need surgery, not when you start coughing. Reasons include: there's only so much sick leave you can take, employers expect sick leave to be extremely rare and will "phase you out" if it isn't, getting a sick leave involves a visit to a doctor - which, like any visit to a healthcare facility processing sick people - comes with a ri…

> getting a sick leave involves a visit to a doctor - which, like any visit to a healthcare facility processing sick people

Remote doctor visits are starting to become a thing, now! Still don't know how they'll check our temperature, or issue us the sick leave paperwork.

But hey! It's a start!

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by notduncansmith »

taneq wrote: post #57
IIAOPSW wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed this entire time I've been reading "asymptomatic" as "asymptotic". I thought it was cases that happen in the limit as severity goes to zero.

Some news services have referred to asymptotic spread but it's just hyperbole.

I feel like I’m approaching the limit of what I can take, but I doubt I’ll ever truly reach it.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by lend000 »

mtsr wrote: post #82
lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

Mean incubation period is 5.6 days (range 1-14). So while possible, it’s highly unlikely you got it 1 day after infection.

"Mean" means nothing in the context of probability distributions.

It's possible I picked it up elsewhere, and less likely that I have something else with these unique symptoms (I've never a had fever without nasal congestion or gastrointestinal symptoms before). However, I think it makes sense I would be at the lower incubation period range due to the high level of contact with said suspect and the fact that I'm an otherwise healthy young adult, which as I understand it can lead to the immune system reacting faster.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by lm28469 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #77
blahedo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, sure, if you have sick leave. The above comment is perhaps aspirational, but otherwise it is woefully ignorant of the sad, sad state of US healthcare for most of its residents.

It's a problem everywhere. Sick leave is something you take when you have high fever or need surgery, not when you start coughing. Reasons include: there's only so much sick leave you can take, employers expect sick leave to be extremely rare and will "phase you out" if it isn't, getting a sick leave involves a visit to a doctor - which, like any visit to a healthcare facility processing sick people - comes with a ri…

> Sick leave is something you take when you have high fever or need surgery

No, you take it when you have a problem big enough that it impacts your ability to work OR when you have a contagious disease.

It's a lose/lose situation for a company if a single person gets half the company sick.

> there's only so much sick leave you can take, employers expect sick leave to be extremely rare and will "phase you out"

In the US sure, in Europe you can't fire someone for health reasons. In France you'll even get 66% of your salary for 3 years if you can't work at all for health related reasons.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by pcl »

md224 wrote: post #93
lend000 wrote: post #63

I'm not a confirmed case, but I'm a 90% sure case based on symptoms and symptoms of people I have been in close contact with, and so far the experience has been relatively mild, in the literal sense. The primary discomfort has likely been the anxiety of how the tightness in my chest might progress (which ironically can also cause chest tightness). I'm in a low risk group. I had lethargy and high fever the first day o…

> I suspect the true numbers are about 10x-50x the reported confirmed cases. This is good in that it means the death rate is also off by that factor, but bad in that there will not be enough fear/incentive for the primary carriers (young adults) to adhere to adequate social distancing. If the death rate is off by 10x-50x, isn't this approaching the death rate of seasonal influenza, in which case we didn't actually ne…

The disease also appears to spread much faster than the flu. So even if the death rate is comparable, the infection rate is likely to be far higher.

Re: 50% – 75% of cases of Covid-19 are asymptomatic

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Post by aquadrop »

lurquer wrote: post #89
taneq wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some news services have referred to asymptotic spread but it's just hyperbole.

Your obtuse reply isn't even tangentially related to the line of discussion.

No need to go ballistic over couple of lines.
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