Just to note that the relative test code to production code ratio in Hashicorp products is 10:1 (10 lines of test for every line of code).
That seems unlikely to be true (I haven’t measured but worked there). Perhaps it’s true of Terraform where testing is verbose anyway, but it’s almost certainly not of Packer, for example.
HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation
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#62I had the chance to work with Armon as a contractor at HashiCorp when I was in college. Armon was absolutely one of the most down-to-earth leaders I've ever seen. Even though he was technically brilliant and I was only an undergrad, he never made me feel like I was stupid or inexperienced, but rather patiently guided me towards the best solutions, so I was able to gain a lot of confidence and grow a lot along the way…
Re: HashiCorp Raises $175M at $5.1B Valuation
#63I had the chance to work with Armon as a contractor at HashiCorp when I was in college. Armon was absolutely one of the most down-to-earth leaders I've ever seen. Even though he was technically brilliant and I was only an undergrad, he never made me feel like I was stupid or inexperienced, but rather patiently guided me towards the best solutions, so I was able to gain a lot of confidence and grow a lot along the way…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where's the innovation compared to LXC and wget?
Fast, easy and standardized product suite with a CLI, runtime and registry that led to massive industry-wide cross-platform usage and spin-off projects like Kubernetes compared to basically nothing for the decade before. You don't have to invent new tech. Better UX counts as innovation, enough to be worth billions. Your reply reminds of the infamous Dropbox HN comment that said it was nothing more than FTP with SVN.
Not quite- Kubernetes was an open source "spin-off" of Borg, which has been in use at Google since 2003.
However, Docker did quickly become the de facto standard for containerization on k8s, due in part to its prevalence and ease of use as you mentioned above.
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What is the purpose of Vault if you’re already on AWS? Even though I prefer CloudFormation, Terraform is quite popular. As far as Consul and Nomad, they are both nice for on prem infrastructure - I’ve used both - but once you’re on either AWS or Azure, the native solutions are a lot less of a hassle and Nomsd (sadly) will never get the mindshare of k8s.
You don't want to pay $1/month to store a single secret. You want a nicer workflow for creating ephemeral users and tokens than AWS themselves have. You want to do on-the-fly encryption of all sorts of things. You want a real PKI without every bit of know-how.
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My viewpoint is based on the products they're competing against: - Their OSS offerings - Other OSS offerings like Istio, Ansible, Conjour, and Kubernetes - Hybrid cloud solutions like Outpost and Anthos Additionally, I think HashiCorp not embracing kubernetes and trying to push Nomad was a huge miscalculation. None of their products have particularly noteworthy integrations with it, with the community picking up the…
> Additionally, I think HashiCorp not embracing kubernetes and trying to push Nomad was a huge miscalculation. Nah, embracing kubernetes is the miscalculation that every other company is making. It's a dead end. This part they're doing right. (Not saying I'm fond of nomad, but kube is absurd.)
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#67They could not have more last minute timing. Now everything melts and the time of funny money is over.
If they either turn Nomad into a full blown hypervisor stack or roll that into its own product, they could seriously put a dent in some extremely entrenched companies like VMware. I'm talking storage, networking, virtualization... They'd make bank.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Additionally, I think HashiCorp not embracing kubernetes and trying to push Nomad was a huge miscalculation. Nah, embracing kubernetes is the miscalculation that every other company is making. It's a dead end. This part they're doing right. (Not saying I'm fond of nomad, but kube is absurd.)
Lol, that is why it took HashiCorp 6 months to write a broken Ansible playbook for Vault that takes an hour to deploy (they couldn't even do it with Terraform) when it takes less than 30 seconds to deploy on Kubernetes natively.
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It seems this company has a similar mode of operation as e.g. Docker: put a thin layer around Linux, and sell it as if it's something new.
What’s it like? To be so cynical that it makes you so blindingly wrong? Terraform, packer, consul, and vault are all ground up products that solve very interesting problems. Nomad is a solid product. They’re all written from the ground up. How many third party companies do you think get pre-release access to AWS, Azure, and GCE and many others so that their software (in this case terraform) supports it the day of ann…