I occasionally forget that Microsoft bought GitHub. They certainly don't do anything here to remind me of that fact. How separate from MS has GitHub been in day-to-day operations?
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
no, this is microsoft "embracing" (buying control of) a huge point of centralization in a software distribution ecosystem, positioning them to have greater power over a huge number of developers.
Microsoft turned their reputation around in recent years with developers but I wonder how long it will last.
I think people are "okay" with Microsoft because so many hackers have a problem with the data agglomeration and monetization strategy of Google and Facebook, but this Microsoft "embrace" will come to a head within the next couple years and I just can't wait for it.
The way people think Microsoft's embrace of open source, GitHub, and now NPM is genuine is completely ridiculous. Microsoft had to change because much of where the action was is on *nix systems. Microsoft will start to use these companies to make developers embrace Microsoft services. It's only a matter of time.
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#53Oops. So NPM will go down, soon. I just finished reading this related HN post "How GitHub blocked me (and all my libraries)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22593595
There's a difference between NPM the client and NPM the registry. You can point the client to any registry you want - there are a ton of options.
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#54Gotta respect how Microsoft couldn't build anything the open source community wanted to work with/on so instead they used their Windows and Office monopoly to buy everyone's favorite playgrounds.
They should get props for TypeScript & VSCode.
They do and I will give them props for that. But no company should have as much control over open source that Microsoft does.
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#55Am I the only one surprized that there's an npm Inc. to be acquired?
Why is there a for-profit corporation behind every open source project these days?
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#56Microsoft does have a much better track record in terms of keeping their products alive than other Way Way Large companies that could have made this acquisition, and for that I'm pretty glad.
That said, and just in case their notoriously warlike legal team manages to fumble this somehow, I'd like to take the opportunity to remind every other frontender that Verdaccio (https://verdaccio.org/) exists, is easy to implement, and relatively low maintenance.
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#57I worry that this is too much consolidation.
I hope you're spending lots of money at independent places then, because this is the inevitable result of the current "OSS infrastructure funded by VC charity" model. NPM was losing money, as was GitHub when Microsoft bought that. Under such conditions, getting bought out by a megacorp is the only path forward.
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#58NPM's blog post: https://blog.npmjs.org/post/612764866888007680/next-phase-mo...
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#59I occasionally forget that Microsoft bought GitHub. They certainly don't do anything here to remind me of that fact. How separate from MS has GitHub been in day-to-day operations?
I've been at GitHub for 7 years and we operate independently but have the support and resources of Microsoft when we need them. IMO, they've been amazing partners but day to day the GitHub team builds, prioritizes, and supports GitHub.
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#60VsCode, Typescript, Github, NPM. And Microsoft doesn't even have to maintain the main runtime, Google does. What a clever strategy!
to be clear, Chrome's overall value to Google probably dwarfs all those things combined.