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Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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Not to be a downer but the opposite could also be true. The less economic activity, the less particle emissions. While those particle emissions eventually contribute to global warming, they actually prevent a rise in temperatures in the short-term by blocking sunlight. Like you mentioned, the highs are higher and the lows are lower. We could actually see an acceleration of some of global warmings' effects on the clim…

I hope you understand that your declaration sounds bonkers to any rational person? I understand of course that there is a possibility as the system is chaotic. But narrative wise this creates an impossible situation, where everything, even the movement in the supposedly right direction is bad? I would consider "What else do you want from me? ---- off" a normal and valid reaction to this.

Regardless of how it sounds to "any rational person," it's quite possibly true: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2612/can-poor-air-quality-mask...

In the short term, decreasing economic activity could raise temperatures. Your objection only makes sense in a bizarre universe where there are only all-good and all-bad choices. In our universe, good choices have bad effects and bad choices have good effects.

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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Airline co2 emissions represent an irrelevant amount compared to the great benefits it provides

Could you back this up with statistics?

https://theicct.org/publications/co2-emissions-commercial-av...

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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We’re another type of virus on this planet, we need to remember that and remember what it feels like to be under attack by one. Hopefully we then adjust behaviour accordingly.

While sharing your view of the situation I do not see anything to back your hopes.

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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This lines up with a hypothesis I've got that this is causing severe cases in places where there is a high baseline of lung damage. Either from asthma or other genetic conditions, or from exposure to poor air quality. Such that these lock downs are preventing more bad cases, but not by preventing the spread of covid, but by limiting exposure to other things. In this case, it could be lowering emissions period, which…

Air quality in (parts of) China is much worse than any part of Europe, even northern Italy. To be proportional, deaths in China would need to be a magnitude higher. On the other end of the scale, Switzerland would need to be almost free of fatalities, etc. You also don’t have much of a model. It would be strange for one virus to show an extreme sensitivity to existing environmental lung damage when all our experience…

I didn't limit the virus to being sensitive to environmental lung damage. I'm saying existing lung damage makes people more prone to the serious cases.

Would be why you haven't heard of many (any?) children getting this. You know they are getting it.

So, I'm not clear on your criticism. The air quality in China is worse, but from what we've heard, their fatalities have been worse. They took ridiculously extreme measures and had a lot of deaths.

My perspective is I had the worst asthma attack of my adult life a month ago. Closest to this I have had was when I had walking pneumonia about a decade ago. I literally could not breath well enough to say three words at a time. I was not tested for covid, because I did not knowingly have contact with someone that did. Looking back, hard for me to think I had something else. I look at the rest of my family, who have all had fevers and coughs, and I ask why don't they also have difficulty breathing? Best answer I have is lung health.

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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Smoking is also more common (to my knowledge) in Italy. That could have something to do with it.

More common than China? I highly doubt it.

I stand corrected. The Wikipedia article shows China much higher than Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette...

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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This lines up with a hypothesis I've got that this is causing severe cases in places where there is a high baseline of lung damage. Either from asthma or other genetic conditions, or from exposure to poor air quality. Such that these lock downs are preventing more bad cases, but not by preventing the spread of covid, but by limiting exposure to other things. In this case, it could be lowering emissions period, which…

So why not India?

I'm not sure I follow? My claim is in the places finding they have covid now, for the most part it has already reached saturation levels. Not that it doesn't grow exponentially, per se. Just in many places that growth happened well before testing.

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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This lines up with a hypothesis I've got that this is causing severe cases in places where there is a high baseline of lung damage. Either from asthma or other genetic conditions, or from exposure to poor air quality. Such that these lock downs are preventing more bad cases, but not by preventing the spread of covid, but by limiting exposure to other things. In this case, it could be lowering emissions period, which…

In many places the number of tests run (on suspected cases not just random) is 10x the positive cases... and still there are thousands positive. I don't think the exponential growth is behind us... even in China.

In many places, the tests run are well behind people already recovering from the mild cases. Would they show as negative or positive? (Genuinely asking.)

Re: Nitrogen dioxide emissions drop over Italy

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I really do hope that this event will give a big blow to the mass-tourism industry. It doesn't feel right to catch a flight from Europe to half-way around the world (Thailand, let's say) for just a few hundred euros, there are lots of externalities not included in that price. To say nothing of the Dutch-disease-like effects brought by mass tourism to those tourist places.

Have to say our leaders, the EU and globalism in general seem to be looking decidedly worse off: many leaders are following rather than leading; the EU love-fest has disintegrated into closed borders and selfish refusals for assistance; and globalism looks to have delivered us a rapid, efficient and apparently unblockable conduit for spreading a dangerous disease to all corners of the earth. Yay open borders!
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