“I'm not sure there is an acceptable solution to the problem we are facing”

Post by frosted-flakes » Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 12:42 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #251

gwd wrote: post #114

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> You can't get sick if you aren't exposed. The problem isn't the short-term; the problem is the long term. Are you suggesting the entire world work from home and interact only over the internet for the rest of our lives? One of the biggest questions in this thread is specifically what kind of immunity we can have from the virus. If catching it gives you 10-year immunity, then slowing things down might work. But what…

Are you suggesting the entire world work from home and interact only over the internet for the rest of our lives? No, of course not. But some people who are especially vulnerable can work from home permanently. We can permanently crack down on things like cashiers licking their fingers to help them open bags. I have a compromised immune system. The gross behavior of cashiers is one of my single biggest headaches in l…

Post by simiones » Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 12:49 PM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #253

mcsb4 wrote: post #85

I don't understand why we are not trying to interrupt the transmission vectors with masks and hand sanitizer like the Chinese do. They ramped the daily production from 10M to 100M and even advised the use of make-shift masks. The reaction in the west: masks are not protecting 100% and also we don't have any and we are too lazy to produce them, although they are much cheaper than the economic impact covid-19 has. 1. y…

I love how everyone wants to talk about masks and hand sanitizer, but not about gloves or good old soap and water. To me, it's a sign of wanting to score internet points more than to actually inform. The best information I've seen so far suggests that SARS-CoV-2 can survive 2-3 hours as aerosol, 2-3 days on some surfaces. You're much more likely to be exposed or to expose others by touching something than by walking…

Post by DoreenMichele » Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 12:59 PM UTC

frosted-flakes wrote: post #271

DoreenMichele wrote: post #251

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Are you suggesting the entire world work from home and interact only over the internet for the rest of our lives? No, of course not. But some people who are especially vulnerable can work from home permanently. We can permanently crack down on things like cashiers licking their fingers to help them open bags. I have a compromised immune system. The gross behavior of cashiers is one of my single biggest headaches in l…

> We can more widely adopt the practice of removing our shoes at the front door when we get home rather than tracking dirt all over the house. There are plenty of cultures that do that. Including American and Canadian cultures. Every home I've been in across Canada and the northern US has practiced this. Granted, most of the many people I know are descendants of people from the nordic countries, but is it common for…

Post by frosted-flakes » Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 1:06 PM UTC

reportgunner wrote: post #256

TuringTest wrote: post #24

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> ``drumroll`` scaling back shit that nobody needs. Maybe, but what do you do with people whose livelihood depend on those superfluous bullshit jobs? Until we have a system that guarantees a right to life even if you do nothing productive , those busyworks are used to justify giving food, shelter and healthcare to those people.

Maybe, but what do you do with people whose livelihood depend on those superfluous bullshit jobs? Give them work in production of things people need or delivering things people need. > system that guarantees a right to life even if you do nothing productive How could such a system work? Wouldn't that motivate everyone to stop being productive ?

Post by pas » Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 1:10 PM UTC

smallnamespace wrote: post #205

mcsb4 wrote: post #85

I don't understand why we are not trying to interrupt the transmission vectors with masks and hand sanitizer like the Chinese do. They ramped the daily production from 10M to 100M and even advised the use of make-shift masks. The reaction in the west: masks are not protecting 100% and also we don't have any and we are too lazy to produce them, although they are much cheaper than the economic impact covid-19 has. 1. y…

I think the easy answer here is that there’s no culture of wearing masks in public and it’s very visible and easy to ridicule. This isn’t Tokyo, where everyone was wearing masks before this crisis and you get one for 400 yen at any convenience store, even inside the rail station. Authorities in a democracy work mainly by persuasion, and they have a limited budget of how much they can educate and bend people’s behavio…