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Post by kqr »

sdkaufman wrote: post #322
boznz wrote: post #88

My Daughter was working as a temp between jobs and the work has now been stopped, she had two second interviews planned in Sydney this week now both positions have been retracted and nobody hiring or interviewing, she has about 7 weeks of cash savings and 4 months lease on a rental. Oh and no unemployment benefit or subsidies as she is New Zealander working in Australia. Young People at the lowest risk from this viru…

> Young People at the lowest risk from this virus are going to be much worse off than just catching a fucking bad cold. It's not a "fucking bad cold" for young people. - Over 50% of ICU patients in Netherlands from COVID-19 are under 50. [1] - Over 50% of ICU patients in France are under 60. [2] - Over 40% of patients requiring hospitalization in China were under 50. [3] Young people are not invincible. The fact that…

Those numbers measure the wrong thing. The proportion of young people in care means nothing without knowing also the proportion of young people infected.

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Post by mdorazio »

briandear wrote: post #296
pinot wrote: post #243

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China nipped this before they spent much time in the exponential phase: http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/#g8 US is tracking highly with Italy, but 12 days behind.

How is the US 12 days behind? Where does that number come from? The first Italian case was a month after the first US case.

https://i.redd.it/apxxmlc4kfm41.jpg

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Post by dillondoyle »

topkai22 wrote: post #144

When talking about economic damage it is also worth thinking about what we are trying to avoid in the US- if SARS-Cov2 gets to 60% of the population, then at a 2% case fatality rate we are looking at 4 million excess deaths. Most importantly, that is a humanitarian tragedy that we must avoid. However, having numbers also let’s us put an economic value out there for what we are trying to save. A 1% reduction in the ca…

I hate myself for saying this but if one wants a cold calculous thought experiment, what about thinking about the mortality age? mostly older people, not only don't work but are also often a net burden to society.

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Post by netsharc »

pbourke wrote: post #179
ncallaway wrote: post #108

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Several restaurants in downtown Seattle have already closed. More will probably come over the next few weeks. As I expect this to largely continue to be a problem through summer the tourism industry in downtown is going to be hit very hard. The economic side of this is going to hit like a ton-of-bricks. It's going to be very painful, and we should do everything we can as a society to take care of those that are hit h…

The Alaska cruise season will likely not happen this year. The Canadian government has banned cruise ships from Canadian ports until 1 July. Legally, the foreign-flagged ships of major cruise lines must call at a foreign port between calls at US ports. All Alaska cruises call at Vancouver on their way from Seattle to Alaska. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/canada-suspends-cr...

I'm not mourning this. They're floating luxury hotels spewing 10x more sulphur oxide than all of Europe's 260 million cars.

Ironically this economic shutdown is probably what needs to be done to save the planet. Funny how humans react when their death might come in 2 weeks and not in 20 years.

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Post by jimmaswell »

Pfhreak wrote: post #325
jimmaswell wrote: post #164

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A license needed for delivery/takeout? How is that justified?

Handling food safely requires training and process. Delivering food is a totally different environment than serving it in house.

There is nothing complicated about putting food in a delivery box and driving it somewhere.

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Post by ryanSrich »

natalyarostova wrote: post #314
ryanSrich wrote: post #312

This feels like a much worse outcome than just taking the virus on the chin and letting 40-70% of the population get sick. That may seem contrarian, but this panic feels worse than the actual virus. More people will die from economic hardship than from COVID.

I guess people would rather lower the gdp than have their parents die.

Destroying the economy at this rate will bring much more death than Corona. 10s of thousands of businesses are being crippled. The government will do nothing aside from bailing out institutions they’ve bailed out countless times before. Leaving the lower and middle class absolutely gutted.

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Post by JamesBarney »

ryanSrich wrote: post #312

This feels like a much worse outcome than just taking the virus on the chin and letting 40-70% of the population get sick. That may seem contrarian, but this panic feels worse than the actual virus. More people will die from economic hardship than from COVID.

You're talking about conceivably millions in the U.S. alone.

55% * 6% fatality rate * 330 million is >10,000,000.

That's a lot of people to sacrifice to keep bars and restaurants open.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by [deleted] »

kqr wrote: post #341
sdkaufman wrote: post #322

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> Young People at the lowest risk from this virus are going to be much worse off than just catching a fucking bad cold. It's not a "fucking bad cold" for young people. - Over 50% of ICU patients in Netherlands from COVID-19 are under 50. [1] - Over 50% of ICU patients in France are under 60. [2] - Over 40% of patients requiring hospitalization in China were under 50. [3] Young people are not invincible. The fact that…

Those numbers measure the wrong thing. The proportion of young people in care means nothing without knowing also the proportion of young people infected.

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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by JamesBarney »

rocha wrote: post #251
acangiano wrote: post #225

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Also, 2% is very dubious. Italy is at 7%. The Philippines at 8%. I mean, sure these figures are out of people who were tested, but 2% is looking awfully optimistic at this point. So the potential for death reduction is even greater than the intentionally unassailable 1% figure you picked.

Note that in both cases there is a selection bias, due poor testing, and having the majority of initial reported cases being severe enough to reach hospitals. In my opinion, South Korea has better data, due to massive testing, and not having a completely overwhelmed health system. The rate there is 0.6%, which is still significant.

0.6%-1% is what we would be looking at when everyone gets the medical care they need. But many people are suggesting that instead of shutting down a large portion of the economy we let this thing rip through our population. And if we do that, a very small percentage of the population will get the healthcare they need. So the rate we should use when considering the "rip the bandaid" off approach should be closer to 6% than 0.6%.

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Post by ryanSrich »

JamesBarney wrote: post #347
ryanSrich wrote: post #312

This feels like a much worse outcome than just taking the virus on the chin and letting 40-70% of the population get sick. That may seem contrarian, but this panic feels worse than the actual virus. More people will die from economic hardship than from COVID.

You're talking about conceivably millions in the U.S. alone. 55% * 6% fatality rate * 330 million is >10,000,000. That's a lot of people to sacrifice to keep bars and restaurants open.

6% where are you getting that number? The highest I’ve seen is 3% and that’s in people older than 80...
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