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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

Someone has already posted a California announcement somewhere.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#122
post #116

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

LA: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-15/coronaviru...

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's categorically false. Read more, and get educated.

There’s nothing false about it. Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%, let alone the infection rate is very low as well. The incubation period is long and symptoms for most are mild, so it’s here to stay as it’s easily spreadable. I dont understand your position!

> Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%

Assuming no medical treatment because the medical system is already full? I doubt it.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Totally agree. The bailout of the banks has started with 0% rates and massive QE, which at the end of the day while I think necessary to prevent a credit crisis will do nothing to help the real economic situation; demand is dead for a while because of the health situation. We should consider more radical measures like temporary rent/mortgage freezes.

> The bailout of the banks has started with 0% rates and massive QE, which at the end of the day while I think necessary to prevent a credit crisis

Well, no, if you bailed out businesses and consumers directly, there also wouldn't be a credit crisis.

Structurally, though, that's fiscal stimulus, which isn't the Feds job, and good luck getting much of that through Congress, and by that I mostly mean the Senate Republican Caucus.

> We should consider more radical measures like temporary rent/mortgage freezes.

While not that particular measure, a number of states and localities have adopted or are considering eviction and/or foreclosure bans, which leaves mortgage/rent technically due but limits nonpayment consequences.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Anyone found any good info on the risks of food itself. Eg kitchen staff is infected, coughs into meal 1. Do you get if it’s cold food, like a salad or sushi? 2. If yes, do you get it if it’s warm food, like indian food? 3. If yes, do you get if you reheat/microwave the food? If so, what is required/ Have not seen a lot of discussion about this. Did see that in china restaurants would certify the body temperatures of…

Fully-cooked food (~160 degree F temp) is sanitary as of the time it's done cooking. For takeout food, the lowest risk is items with relatively little post-processing after being cooked - Thai food, for example, where the cook basically dumps it from a wok into a container.

The worst case is probably dishes where many people interact with raw ingredients to create a high-touch item. Compared to physical contact with people, it's still considered a relatively small transmission risk, but in relative terms, it's higher than something that's boxed up right after it's cooked.

More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/11/coronavirus-..., https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavir..., https://www.fdacs.gov/News-Events/Press-Releases/2020-Press-..., https://www.insider.com/what-temperature-kills-germs

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #16

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Can't restaurants still offer takeout/delivery?

Many of them, no. And bars, for instance, aren’t allowed to serve their primary purpose via delivery. Or movie theaters. Or music venues. Or retail. Or.... It’s gonna be a mess, because we already know the government is going to fail to alleviate the impact.

Retail can't deliver... What is the primary non-deliverable thing you get from retail?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#127
post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Such a bailout is feasible. During the financial crisis houses were physically built and purchased without enough people with the income to cover the loan. The difference here is that there is no underlying financial issue. People will still want to go to restaurants and bars after this is over, and it will end.

What about solvency, and the knock on effect to creditors. They can't pay the booze supplier and they go out of business etc. This could go on for months. Most businesses don't make those sweet SaaS margins. Same for airlines.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #116

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

Illinois: https://twitter.com/GovPritzker/status/1239387572884905988

https://www2.illinois.gov/Pages/news-item.aspx?ReleaseID=212...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-il...

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #111
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid19 is closer to SARS than the flu, and is known to cause permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients. Even among young patients, the ICU rate is as high as 10%. A low mortality rate for young people assumes access to an ICU. All of New York State only has about 600 unoccupied ICU beds. If the number of infections in New York breaches 6,000, the fatality rate among young people…

Those are some important facts, thanks for sharing. I’d like to see the probability of healthy people getting permanent damage however. That would change my mind. Until then the extremely low fatality and infection rate for average people, as well as the incubation period being so long that it’s unrealistic to contain it, is enough for me not to worry about it.

You're being selfish. Everything isn't just about you.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#130
post #116

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840 ) NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463 California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062 Others?

Someone has already posted a California announcement somewhere.

That was a recommendation rather than a requirement, so I thought we wouldn't include it. But you're right, it's substantially the same story. I'll add it above.
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