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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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As usual, these announcements never come with any promise or a plan of economic relief (or at least reference to plans already made) for businesses force closed, creating more panic. I don't understand why it's so hard to just say: "We will take care of the businesses affected by this policy and more details are forthcoming." Shutting them down is the right move. Taking care of small businessowners running on thin ma…

State governments can't provide that kind of relief without help from the federal government and the federal government has made no such commitment.

Are you expecting states to wait for something that might not come?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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“Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I eat a lot of takeout. I'm glad to see I can still get takeout. But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measu…

> But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary.

> I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measures are turning into a really big problem for the homeless population.

How so? I assume that soup kitchens and the like will still be open.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#23

It scares me how many Americans welcome authoritarianism the moment that something scary happens. I remember when, following the tragedy of 9/11, the PATRIOT act was passed. This is another shameful moment in American history.

Anyone is insane if they don't 100% think that in 5 years, these shutdowns are going to be a weapon used to shut down rallies, protests, and potentially even elections that any current government doesn't feel like permitting.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#24

“Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I eat a lot of takeout. I'm glad to see I can still get takeout. But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measu…

> But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. > I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measures are turning into a really big problem for the homeless population. How so? I assume that soup kitchens and the like will still be open.

You might be assuming wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeless/comments/fipg6s/covid19_is...

(from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22580519)

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#25
Gov. Baker has done the same today in Massachusetts. A one month ban on on-site service starting Tuesday. Any food establishment will be allowed to do delivery or take out even if they didn't previously have a license for it.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/03/15/charlie-ba...

EDIT: It's until April 5th, so 3 weeks not a month:

https://whdh.com/news/all-mass-restaurants-and-bars-ordered-...

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is already there for people over 65.

No. It is definitely not. It's a strong recommendation without enforcement. This however could change in the coming days and weeks. Source: https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/15/...

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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Canlis (fine dining place, think Michelin) made a really interesting switch in order to keep the lights on. They shut down their restaurant and are starting a drive-thru burger stand, a bagel stand, and a meal delivery service, rather than lay off all their workers. I'm going to try their burgers tomorrow.

I'd suggest they put a couple of picnic tables out in the parking lot for take-out. Curious about other commercial operations that could satisfy the rule "... all gatherings under 50 participants are prohibited unless previously announced criteria for public health and social distancing are met"? Take-out biergarten? Silent disco?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #6

Welp, I guess my trip to Sakuracon is officially cancelled...again.

heaven forbid you miss a weekend of fun so that some of our fellow humans might live

Personal attacks are not allowed on HN. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please don't post like this here.

Note this one: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#29

As usual, these announcements never come with any promise or a plan of economic relief (or at least reference to plans already made) for businesses force closed, creating more panic. I don't understand why it's so hard to just say: "We will take care of the businesses affected by this policy and more details are forthcoming." Shutting them down is the right move. Taking care of small businessowners running on thin ma…

In the same way that many Americans are living pay check to pay check, I think it's clearer than ever that states are doing the same thing.

People literally don't have enough money if they don't go to work, and states literally don't have enough money to pay people (or businesses) not to go to work.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Aside, but I want to call out Miami Dade Public Schools for being the only public school system I'm aware of that has had a contingency plan in place for years:

On rare occasions it may be necessary to close a school(s) due to weather or other emergency situations. If this occurs, the district will make every effort to ensure that our students' educational opportunities continue while at home. Throughout the years, the district has compiled a comprehensive collection of online content and digital resources. The district also provides mobile devices for students to check out for home use to ensure that district students (non charter) can continue their learning without interruption.

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The Instructional Continuity Plan (ICP) has three components: Content Delivery, Mobile Devices, and Internet Access. Content Delivery explains which resources students will use for core instruction and which materials can be used as supplemental resources to enhance core instruction. Mobile Devices provides the steps the district is taking to ensure that any student who needs a mobile device to access the instructional resources will be provided with one, upon request, for the duration of the schools' closure. ... Internet Access poses the greatest challenge to ensuring that M-DCPS students can continue their studies while at home. The district has taken steps throughout the years to assist students in getting access to the internet at home through projects such as The 1Million Project; however, partnerships with service providers is crucial to providing free or reduced-cost internet service to students should the district close in case of emergency situations.

http://icp.dadeschools.net/#!/fullWidth/2943

Also:

Miami-Dade County Public Schools (M-DCPS) is continuing its efforts to provide support to students and their families during school closures, which begin tomorrow, March 16. From distance learning, to community feedings, to facilitating childcare for essential medical personnel, M-DCPS stands firm in its commitment to support the South Florida community during this time of uncertainty.

A support hotline was established for teachers, students, and parents seeking assistance with distance learning.

During school closures, students and families may pick up hot meals to go, both breakfast and lunch, between 9:00 a.m. and 12:30 p.m.

A Mental Health Services hotline will be available for students.

An Employee Assistance Program hotline will also be available.

http://covid19.dadeschools.net/#!/fullWidth/3024

In contrast, I am extremely disappointed in how haphazard things are going in NC. I'm particularly disappointed in the UNC system which appears to have done zero advanced planning.

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