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Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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I'm not supporting or opposing short selling, just pointing out that: - It was happening - The White House probably was aware of the extent of it - They wanted to get credit for the rise in stocks when their actions actually didn't have any effect (or perhaps even had a negative effect)

Seriously what do you want the White House to do? Run around like chickens with their head cut off? I am so damn disappointed at this site often enough to just delete the book mark. The partisan first, TDS, or call it what you will, on display here, makes me wonder if I landed on reddit/politics instead of a tech site. The government's job is to assure calm, it that requires a little white lie or a bit of misdirectio…

> it [sic] that requires a little white lie or a bit of misdirection then so be it

If they were doing things that instilled confidence, I'd be happy to give them credit. However, let's review the timeline of statements:

- Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

- Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”

- Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

- Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

- Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

- Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

- Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

- Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

- Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

- Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

- Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

- Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”

- Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

- Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”

- Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

- Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

- Feb. 29: “We’re the number-one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”

- March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

- March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”

The list goes on [1].

Let's not delude ourselves. This isn't a few white lies, this is a pattern of denialism and ignoring the warnings and advice of public health professionals.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-cor...

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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Isn't it too late? We seem to have cases spread thoroughly across all states.

No, it is not too late. The number of likely cases is still low enough to make contact tracing worthwhile to slow the spread.

It’s like that walkthrough of the Chernobyl meltdown from the miniseries.

Except it could work.

If we insert the control rods now and scram the reactor then we could avoid societal breakdown when hospitals overflow and make the difference between a 3-4% death rate (Italy/Wuhan) and 0.7-0.9 (south Korea/Beijing)

I’m on the frontlines of this one. I’m going to be deciding who gets care and who doesn’t shortly. I hope we can act sensibly and quickly to limit the damage and somehow avoid the worst case scenarios

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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...or maybe trump heard something in a briefing and said what he thought he understood, instead of what he'd been told. And without, you know, coordinating or having the speech fact checked before delivering it to millions of people. The dude doesn't do process... See also, walking back the "no trade with Europe" thing a few days ago. He doesn't get a lot of slack (outside the right wing machine) because he's repeate…

I personally think Trump is doing a great job. Unfortunately he inherited a dysfunctional CDC, but at least he was one of the quickest to shut down flights between China and other infected areas, unlike eg Trudeau up north who took his sweet time. Talk about someone who shouldn't get a lot of slack eh

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/?...

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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The best example of him being totally fucking clueless is when a reporter asked him if he/the WH staff will be tested after there's public evidence (a photo) of him next to the Bolsonaro aide who was later tested positive. His response, very confidently: "No, we have no symptoms whatsoever.". Oh my fucking god... anyone who's paid 30 seconds attention to this virus knows that you may have it and not show any symptoms…

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> president Xi was at ground zero and then it's obvious he would catch the virus too.

It's a virus, not nuclear radiation. Fucking hell.

As for the rest of your argument, it's not coherent. I'd tell you to rephrase it, but I don't think I'd get anywhere.

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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If we didn't pay taxes we wouldn't have schools, roads, or the internet, and maybe even your mortgage (along with countless other things). So imagine where you life would be without it.

None of those are paid by the federal government.

Actually it does for all of them!

- Schools: The US department of Education contributed 8% of all funding to the entire public school system of the US in 2012-13. (source: https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html)

- Roads: "The Congressional Budget Office estimates that Highway Trust Fund tax revenue will total $41 billion in fiscal year 2018" (source: https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-highway-t...)

- Internet: Not only was the internet created by the Department of the Defense in the 1960's and 70's (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#History) It's expansion is also subsidized by the FCC (source: https://www.fcc.gov/consumer-governmental-affairs/about-bure...)

- Mortgages: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac provide important stabilization and support to the mortgage industry. (source: https://www.fhfa.gov/SupervisionRegulation/FannieMaeandFredd...)

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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And that there isn't 1700 people working on it.

Good point. The most important part of the speech is the number of engineers working on it. If we have 1699 it might not work but if only we could know we had 1700 then we would all be saved /s.

Number of engineers is a sign of the scale and significance of the project.

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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Google made the following statement on Twitter; Google is partnering with the US Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information. This is _in addition_ (emphasis added) to other measures we are taking, including: - A Google “home page promotion” to promote greater awareness of simple measures citizens can take to prevent the spread of the d…

I mean, I thought the media was right and I work at Google. I knew the Verily site existed (a member of my team helped with a production readiness review last week). So if they went and looked for Googlers who knew about the national effort and came up bank, and then didn't get immediate confirmation from Google, then they ran with a story. Obviously I am but a small part of this massive machine and even though I am…

I wouldn’t totally put it past Trump to announce it therefore forcing Google’s hand. But it also seems reasonable that someone in the Admin has a conversation with someone high up at Google and most of Google wasn’t aware of it immediately.

It clearly wasn’t straight up invented out of thin air, because the 1,700 number correlates. Someone gave him that number after talking with Google.

Either way... IMO, booting it into Google’s court (whether they truly volunteered or not, maybe we’ll never know) is a way more effective way to get the site done quickly than trying to get it done inside the government. I guess we’ll see what they stand up in the next week.

Personally I really like the idea of “Corporate America” pulling out all the stops in every way that they can to provide COVID support. Whether it’s credit cards waiving payments and interest, tech companies donating software/services, retail stores volunteering space and workers to support outreach and testing efforts. I’d love to see a massive mobilization of the commercial sector truly bringing everything they have to bear on this challenge.

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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No, no not apologizing to Trump. Apologizing to HN readers for spreading the fake news even after Google themselves came out with a statement saying that they are in fact doing what Trump announced.

No. Did you actually watch the press conference? What Trump announced is what Verily is building. But he implied it would be nationwide. It’s not. > Government in developing a nationwide website that includes information about COVID-19 symptoms, risk and testing information. This sounds like it’s in addition to what Verily is building. So I doubt it’s the diagnostic and get to testing site function that Verily’s work…

It’s absolutely separate from the Verily work, because they explicitly say that.

Other than that all we know is it’s “information about COVID symptoms, risk, and testing information”. Which at least aligns roughly with what was announced on Friday.

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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The New York Times has a story delving into the different levels of commitment that's been reported for Google (in a story last updated on Sunday):

"With Google executives eager to show they are working with the president, the company [Verily] is racing to meet the promise even as they acknowledge that the debut of the website will be far more limited than Mr. Trump has suggested..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/politics/trump-google-...

"Mr. Trump’s comments caught Google completely off guard and executives rushed to issue a statement on Friday afternoon to temper expectations, making it clear that the website is an effort led by Verily, not Google itself... Since then, Google executives have scrambled to coordinate with the White House in an effort to do as much as possible to make the president’s vision for the website a reality."

Re: Alphabet, Walmart join U.S. effort to speed up coronavirus testing

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So, real question here. What if the president makes a claim about a companys actions at time N, that company then says that the claim is false at time N+1, and then the company about faces and says they will be doing what the president claimed at time N+2. Does this mean that the president lied or does the fact that the company changed their story later on make the president retroactively tell the truth?

Third possibility thrown around some alt journos on Twitter is that the president was _persuading_ Google to help. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/politics/trump-google-...

I feel like whether you see that behavior from a president as clever or stupid is a litmus test for how you view this president/presidency.
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