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Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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I have had a fever for a week and difficulty breathing. I have asked my doctor about getting tested for Covid19 and they have declined to test me because I don't meet the critical criteria: age > 60, around large groups of people, etc. I run in circles with someone that returned from Italy and has been confirmed to have Covid19. I'm assuming I have it. The fever isn't so bad for me but there have been a few times whe…

Some of the old-wives tales were descriptions of things that worked just like a lot of the herbal medicines. We didn't know why they worked so I agree it's hard to call them science. It's also possible it worked for you due to placebo effects, but you describe having a sample size of two! I hope we don't mock people for stating anecdotal evidence. I have seen mocking for statements that clearly contradict evidence (c…

> there's too much emphasis placed on science

The site rules prevent me from making an appropriate reply.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Yet to see a post from someone healthy who can say: - Had covid - Had shortness of breath - Recovered - Back to running now - No notable lung capacity issues post recovery Not saying they are not out there.

I remember this guy from China who gave an interview titled "To Hell and back" or something like this... perhaps its just to early for the western media to bring recovery stories. As far as i remember from the things i have read, recovery takes around two to three weeks, add to this the recovery period from a "normal" pneumonia wich can take additional weeks (my father had a light pneumonia last winter, so i remember...).

Perhaps in the chinese media / social media we could find more answers... anyone who can read chinese here?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will find out in three months time or so. That the countries have acted differently doesn't mean that one country is full of idiots and the others isn't.

That’s quite a different position, compared to your initial dismissal of dissent as a right wing conspiracy. (I say this as someone who is far to the left of V, FI and MP, and considers Nyheter Idag to be propaganda, but that doesn’t change the fact that Anders Tegnell actually gave that asinine answer about “jämlikhet” in an interview)

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Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Yet to see a post from someone healthy who can say: - Had covid - Had shortness of breath - Recovered - Back to running now - No notable lung capacity issues post recovery Not saying they are not out there.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/woman-who-survived-coronavirus...

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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In what sense would my comment not be in 'good faith'? The UK allowed the Cheltenham festival [1] to take place this last week as well, attracting 250.000 visitors. The mere fact that the UK arrived at the same conclusions as Sweden does not make those conclusions any more valid or wise. [1] https://cheltenhamfestivaluk.com/

Yeah, fair enough, my good faith line was a bit pointless. I was just trying to be nice before disagreeing with you. Ham-fisted of me. I was (quite vociferously) of your opinion till Boris Johnson's press conference on Thursday. I changed my mind during it listening to Whitty and Vallance explain their strategy. I now think it makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlyvt9n_QE

Dr. John Campbell goes into the contradiction between the approach used in e.g. Sweden and the UK vs. that advocated by the WHO. He is with the WHO on this point, as am I. In a few months time we'll know which approach worked best.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Yet to see a post from someone healthy who can say: - Had covid - Had shortness of breath - Recovered - Back to running now - No notable lung capacity issues post recovery Not saying they are not out there.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/woman-who-survived-coronavirus...

Thanks, but this really doesn't discuss her post-illness lung capacity, it was simply that she didn't feel that ill during it.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Another "I'm a Swede and I hate my country" poster. I'm also Swedish so I know what you write is 100% bullshit and parroted from a bunch of right-wing sites. The reason why not everyone is offered testing is because healthcare is very accessible and free in Sweden (like it is in Denmark, Norway, and Germany too) meaning that you can't offer it to everyone who wants it. Because if you did, you would have to pointlessl…

I don't hate Sweden, I actually quite like the place. I just don't like the way the "government" handles things at the moment, including their handling - or rather lack of handling - of the oncoming epidemic. Your statement on Swedish health care being "very accessible and free" is easily countered by the fact that the waiting times are notoriously long and getting longer while the amount of provincial tax money spen…

> I don't hate Sweden, I actually quite like the place. I just don't like the way the "government" handles things at the moment, including their handling - or rather lack of handling - of the oncoming epidemic.

That would be a fair position if you could tell us how you would do it better. Preferably your proposals should be based on research. I imagine being an epidemologist and constantly having people questioning your expertise is not dissimilar to being a software developer and having people constantly doing the same to you. Frustrating, in other words.

> Your statement on Swedish health care being "very accessible and free" is easily countered by the fact that the waiting times are notoriously long and getting longer while the amount of provincial tax money spent per capita is more than double the amount spent by neighbouring Finland which manages to avoid some of these problems.

Corona testing would be executed by primary caregivers for which waiting times are short. See https://www.vantetider.se/ The stats say that 80% of patients have to wait less than three days for a doctor's appointment.

Tax rates are a very broad discussion and in my opinion not relevant here.

> Those long waiting times have led to a large increase in the number of people who take out private health insurance to make sure they can actually get the treatment they need instead of having to wait for half a year or more.

6% of the population has a private health insurance. Such insurance can reduce waiting times to specialist care but not primary care.

> Those fatality rates you quote are based on the assumption that the reported case incidence is correct which is very likely not the case.

True. My point is that, all else being equal, the better the healthcare the lower the mortality rate should be. E.g Germany has 3062 cases but only 5 fatalities meaning that the disease is probably somewhat contained. The US has 2345 cases and 50 fatalities meaning the opposite.

> By the way, I'm not a Swede. I am a Dutchman living in Sweden with a Swedish-French wife and two Dutch-Swedish-French children.

I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Symptoms as described by WHO: - https://i.cbc.ca/1.5496615.1584111464!/fileImage/httpImage/i... - https://sm.mashable.com/mashable_sea/photo/default/coronavir...

Those two tables contradict each other. The first says runny nose is not a symptom of COVID-19, the other says "sometimes". This just shows how little we know (and/or how much misinformation there is about it), and that a differential diagnosis based on symptoms is basically impossible (at least for a non-expert).

it's also quite possible that some people suffer both from covid-19 and the flu or a cold at the same time and the symptoms are being mixed up.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't hate Sweden, I actually quite like the place. I just don't like the way the "government" handles things at the moment, including their handling - or rather lack of handling - of the oncoming epidemic. Your statement on Swedish health care being "very accessible and free" is easily countered by the fact that the waiting times are notoriously long and getting longer while the amount of provincial tax money spen…

> I don't hate Sweden, I actually quite like the place. I just don't like the way the "government" handles things at the moment, including their handling - or rather lack of handling - of the oncoming epidemic. That would be a fair position if you could tell us how you would do it better. Preferably your proposals should be based on research. I imagine being an epidemologist and constantly having people questioning y…

> That would be a fair position if you could tell us how you would do it better

While I have much to fault the overly bureaucratic and top-heavy WHO for I do agree to their current stance on the handling of the pandemic. This stance is based on research and is supported by many in the field. It is also followed by a large number of countries in Europe except for a few, Sweden being one of those. I linked to one of Dr. John Campbell's (who is one of the more reasonable voices on this subject) videos on this subject a few posts above this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlyvt9n_QE

> Corona testing would be executed by primary caregivers

It shouldn't. It should be done outside of the normal healthcare centres ("vårdcentraler") to reduce the risk of infection. Look at the way it is done in South Korea where mobile testing facilities are used for an idea on how to handle this. There should be no need for an appointment, the test should be "drive-through" or "walk-through".

> 6% of the population has a private health insurance. Such insurance can reduce waiting times to specialist care but not primary care.

The waiting times are mostly an issue for specialist care. Given that a large part of the role of the primary care provider is to refer people to specialist care this reduction in waiting times is very relevant.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is. Testing has nothing to do with protecting you (the current treatment for Covid-19 is the same as any other severe respiratory illness), it's about deciding who needs to be quarantined and have their contacts tracked to protect other people. While the severity of symptoms varies by age, the transmissibility does n…

Testing should be reserved for situations where the outcome of the test will change management. One such situation is whether or not the patient should be quarantined. Another situation is whether or not medical management will be affected (send home vs admit vs ICU). If someone is going to self quarantine regardless, maybe testing isn't appropriate.
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