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Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by rizz0 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 6:11 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #198

flyingfences wrote: post #155

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For an all-remote, international company, "the market" at both ends of that process is "the world".

The fact that I make X here while pay is 4X in SF is the only proof needed to show job markets and pay levels are local . If a SF company wants to hire me remotely, I'll take the job at 1.5X, so they won't pay more than that. The simple reason is this: If I don't want the job at 1.5X the local pay, I my neighbor does, and he's every bit as good an engineer as I am. When they do hire me at 1.5X my current pay, they ha…

You make a good point: as an employee you are not the product, you are part of a team — and the team is just one ingredient in the manufacturing of a product. An important ingredient, but not the whole story nonetheless.

Taking that further: as a human you are also part of the physical community that you live in. A developer in a small town might help out the local library, whereas a developer in a big city might organize tech meet-ups to help their peers.

I'm not saying one situation is better than the other, but I can imagine not just different price points, but also different valuations for equal skill depending on location.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by rizz0 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

mosselman wrote: post #68

rizz0 wrote: post #5

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> If you have the same skills, you should be paid the same? Why is that? I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement. But why would it be fair for someone of equal skill to be able to afford less food and healthcare just because they live in a place with higher prices and higher taxes? Should everybody be incentivized to relocate to a developing country or tax haven because of the internet and your equality rule…

Ok, lets say we live in the same street, work in the same office, do the same work and we both provide exactly the same value to the company. Lets say your mother has given you her old car to drive and you just pay insurance and gas. Lets say I bought a Ferrari Roma. What you are saying is that you'd find it unfair if I were paid 'as little' as you, because I have to deal with the expenses of paying off my Ferrari. I…

I believe that the community you live in is not just a good you consume.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by infamia » Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 3:07 AM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #114

soren_dahl wrote: post #10

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The regional coefficients they use to set salary are a real turn off. https://about.gitlab.com/salary/data.json

Ouch, even within Australia they have large discrepancies between capital cities. One of the reasons why remote work appealed to me, was that I was hoping to escape the unfair wage difference between cities. The fact GitLab maintains it despite not having to pay for real estate in the city you work from is totally unreasonable. Same work, same pay. I'll never apply for them.

I think what you'll find is that a lot of companies do this sort of thing, they're just not transparent about it like GitLab.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by techbio » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 9:41 PM UTC

Joof wrote: post #229

techbio wrote: post #226

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I see so many people making the point that they have some syndrome and so they need x, y, z in a job. Valid, I'm sure, personally well-considered, true and everything, but still, indicative of a person who's problems are more important to them than the ones the company is hiring for.

So, funny thing. My problems are more important to me than the ones the company is hiring for. Especially given that solving my problems makes me more productive for the company. Seems rational unless I'm actually trying to do the 'selling myself / interview' part.

Fancy name, dude, but a lot of people would rather sleep in.