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Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by sjcsjc »

Yetanfou wrote: post #112
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #80

Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is. Testing has nothing to do with protecting you (the current treatment for Covid-19 is the same as any other severe respiratory illness), it's about deciding who needs to be quarantined and have their contacts tracked to protect other people. While the severity of symptoms varies by age, the transmissibility does n…

> Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is I live in the (presumed) social democratic paradise of Sweden where the "government" has just decided to stop testing anyone who is not already in a hospital and belongs to a risk group, i.e. anyone under ~65 years of age without any co-morbidities [1 - Swedish]. The "state epidemiologist" Anders Tegnell has oth…

I believe your comment is in good faith, but I also believe you are wrong.

This approach sounds very similar to the UK approach, overseen by Whitty[0] and Vallance[1], and agreed with by Neal[2] and Ferguson[3] (and I assume more but I haven't looked very hard). I don't think all these guys are morons. Well, I hope they're not.

[0] Chris Whitty, UK Chief Medical Officer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Whitty

[1] Patrick Vallance, UK Chief Science Officer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Vallance

[2] Keith Neal, Professor Emeritus - Epidemiology of Infectious Diseases, Univ of Nottingham https://uk.linkedin.com/in/keith-neal-1818b391

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingh... (there was a better quote on the BBC but I can't find it now)

[3] Neil Ferguson, https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/neil.ferguson Haven't got a link but I heard him speak on UK Radio 4's Today programme this morning.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by y7 »

aufav36 wrote: post #88
alexilliamson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a significant amount of testing going on in Austria, compared to other countries? I'm suprised that you mention these people were tested without symptoms.

The amount of testing seems to be ramping up, but we also hear reports that results now take up to three days to get back, where we got the results for our tests (which happened on Wednesday and Thursday) on the next day. As for symptoms: Male (56) fought quite hard to get one, as he had long direct contact with a positive-tested person. Male (80) got one because of "risk group" (age) and symptoms (light fever).

I read that here in the Netherlands the testing capacity is limited by a shortage of little plastic slabs that hold ~90 test samples at a time. One tactic to increase capacity is to not test the samples until the slab is full, which also delays test results.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by cannabis_sam »

bjourne wrote: post #138
Yetanfou wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is I live in the (presumed) social democratic paradise of Sweden where the "government" has just decided to stop testing anyone who is not already in a hospital and belongs to a risk group, i.e. anyone under ~65 years of age without any co-morbidities [1 - Swedish]. The "state epidemiologist" Anders Tegnell has oth…

Another "I'm a Swede and I hate my country" poster. I'm also Swedish so I know what you write is 100% bullshit and parroted from a bunch of right-wing sites. The reason why not everyone is offered testing is because healthcare is very accessible and free in Sweden (like it is in Denmark, Norway, and Germany too) meaning that you can't offer it to everyone who wants it. Because if you did, you would have to pointlessl…

Oh dear, another ”the swedish government is never wrong! (Even if I have to make up the rationalization myself)”

I’m Swedish/Norwegian, and the governments have responded pretty differently. How do you know that sweden is correct and not norway/denmark?

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by CogitoCogito »

Yetanfou wrote: post #112
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #80

Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is. Testing has nothing to do with protecting you (the current treatment for Covid-19 is the same as any other severe respiratory illness), it's about deciding who needs to be quarantined and have their contacts tracked to protect other people. While the severity of symptoms varies by age, the transmissibility does n…

> Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is I live in the (presumed) social democratic paradise of Sweden where the "government" has just decided to stop testing anyone who is not already in a hospital and belongs to a risk group, i.e. anyone under ~65 years of age without any co-morbidities [1 - Swedish]. The "state epidemiologist" Anders Tegnell has oth…

It’s obvious that China’s criticism are just a continuation of the spat between China and Sweden. It’s also clearly an attempt to continue shifting blame away from China whose government did a terrible job for the first month. The weird idea that China did well due to their draconian measures after doing so poorly is historical whitewashing.

Regardless I do feel like that idiot needs to resign and that Sweden needs to take this more seriously. Though I guess that’ll happen out of necessity in a week anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by filleduchaos »

chongli wrote: post #118
biotechiscool wrote: post #59

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Tell me yours and I’ll tell you mine? Old wives tales usually have some science behind them that hasn’t been tested yet. No one is saying they have the magic cure-all. I make a mixture of turmeric, horseradish, ginger, garlic, habanero, hot onion, and apple cider vinegar. Chop finely or blend and let steep and ferment for as long as you want. Doesn’t go bad. I take shots of it when sick. Actually really good to put i…

Last time I tried apple cider vinegar the pH was so low it gave me a chemical burn in the back of my throat. It definitely can hurt, so be careful with that stuff.

...are you drinking apple cider vinegar neat from the bottle??

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by [deleted] »

scottlocklin wrote: post #120
benrrio wrote: post #48

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Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/Zijainternational-SuperMix-Moringa-Ol... We forgot about it until I was gasping for air and then my wife remembered and we had some laying around. I could breath again in about 20 minutes. My chest and lungs still hurt until today.

Note this user has basically zero HN history and is shilling an expensive product in a classic scammer way. I mean, maybe it's totally innocent! Doesn't look innocent! I mean, maybe Moringa Oil is amazing (I doubt it). It's available for much cheaper than the listed amazon link: https://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/cold-pressed-rwandan-moringa...

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Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by e12e »

klodolph wrote: post #132
e12e wrote: post #106

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Your quote literally includes the phrase "testable explanations"? My point about tea vs water is exactly that having: "a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge" helps with controlling for other factors when setting up and evaluating experiments? Ed: hm, we may be talking past each other here: > Testing "how" is not a requirement for science Indeed, 'testing "how"' isn't really possible, only testin…

> Your quote literally includes the phrase "testable explanations"? It says "and predictions". That is, both "testable explanations" and "testable predictions" are a part of science. > Indeed, 'testing "how"' isn't really possible, only testing "if". This argument is a dead end. If you construct your epistemology in such a fragile way that testing "how" is not possible, then take a closer look at the world you've con…

OK, I think I see where we talk past each other - I stated:

> One could argue that science is about falsifying hypothesis - and terby narrowing in on not just if something works, but how.

You read that as saying that we can only test how, not if. Now you read my comments as saying we can only test if not how.

I think we're in agreement that they are two sides of the scientific process.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by bjourne »

cannabis_sam wrote: post #143
bjourne wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another "I'm a Swede and I hate my country" poster. I'm also Swedish so I know what you write is 100% bullshit and parroted from a bunch of right-wing sites. The reason why not everyone is offered testing is because healthcare is very accessible and free in Sweden (like it is in Denmark, Norway, and Germany too) meaning that you can't offer it to everyone who wants it. Because if you did, you would have to pointlessl…

Oh dear, another ”the swedish government is never wrong! (Even if I have to make up the rationalization myself)” I’m Swedish/Norwegian, and the governments have responded pretty differently. How do you know that sweden is correct and not norway/denmark?

We will find out in three months time or so. That the countries have acted differently doesn't mean that one country is full of idiots and the others isn't.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by Yetanfou »

sjcsjc wrote: post #141
Yetanfou wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your comment about not being older than 60 to get tested made me so angry and shows how fucked the US is I live in the (presumed) social democratic paradise of Sweden where the "government" has just decided to stop testing anyone who is not already in a hospital and belongs to a risk group, i.e. anyone under ~65 years of age without any co-morbidities [1 - Swedish]. The "state epidemiologist" Anders Tegnell has oth…

I believe your comment is in good faith, but I also believe you are wrong. This approach sounds very similar to the UK approach, overseen by Whitty[0] and Vallance[1], and agreed with by Neal[2] and Ferguson[3] (and I assume more but I haven't looked very hard). I don't think all these guys are morons. Well, I hope they're not. [0] Chris Whitty, UK Chief Medical Officer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Whitty [1]…

In what sense would my comment not be in 'good faith'?

The UK allowed the Cheltenham festival [1] to take place this last week as well, attracting 250.000 visitors.

The mere fact that the UK arrived at the same conclusions as Sweden does not make those conclusions any more valid or wise.

[1] https://cheltenhamfestivaluk.com/

Re: Ask HN: Have you been infected by Covid-19? What is it like?

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Post by cannabis_sam »

bjourne wrote: post #148
cannabis_sam wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh dear, another ”the swedish government is never wrong! (Even if I have to make up the rationalization myself)” I’m Swedish/Norwegian, and the governments have responded pretty differently. How do you know that sweden is correct and not norway/denmark?

We will find out in three months time or so. That the countries have acted differently doesn't mean that one country is full of idiots and the others isn't.

That’s quite a different position, compared to your initial dismissal of dissent as a right wing conspiracy.

(I say this as someone who is far to the left of V, FI and MP, and considers Nyheter Idag to be propaganda, but that doesn’t change the fact that Anders Tegnell actually gave that asinine answer about “jämlikhet” in an interview)

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