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Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by ggffryuuj »

ceejayoz wrote: post #105
ggffryuuj wrote: post #64

I just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses…

> Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses don’t mutate in a way that would cause their recurrence every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_OC43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_229E Both of these viruses do exactly that. They're among the many that give us colds. "Coronaviruses have a worldwide distribution, causing 10–15% of common cold cases. Infections show a seasonal pattern with…

Rhinovirus is responsible for the common cold, not corona virus. I have no idea how that article doesn’t mention that. The corona viruses you link to do not change year to year in a way that evades the immune system like influenza does. And there is no evidence that this corona virus changes in the way that influenza does. If you have evidence that it does, then post it.

This is just unbelievable. Here I am citing a virologist who studies this for decades and is an expert. He says with no ambiguity that corona viruses that are responsible for a small fraction of colds do not change themselves to evade the immune system like the flu. And your source is a Wikipedia article that doesn’t even claim that those corona viruses do that. And then you make this wild assumption that an expert is suffering from some kind of mental bias, meanwhile you and everyone else is suffering from the oldest, most well known and most common and obvious mental bias of all time which is fear and panic in the face of the unknown. Which do you think is more likely? Do you even have any kind of background in biology? You vapid insufferable twit.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by jariel »

ggffryuuj wrote: post #109
jariel wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" I’m sorry to be blunt but there simply isn’t anything to brace for." This is appallingly wrong. If you're commenting here on HN and referring to legit medical sources, then you're also smart enough to see what has happened in Wuhan and Italy where hospitals are completely overwhelmed, where triaging is leaving many people without any care . Over 65? Comorbidities? Sorry, 'just die' or hopefully not, is the medical…

Appalling. That’s so funny. The morbidity rate is far less than 3%. Most people who get it probably don’t even realize they have it which makes the numbers look worse than they are. Look I’m not saying nothing should be done. If nothing were done the. We might see something that vaguely resembles what you are describing. If people wouldn’t panic and if antibiotics were prescribed remotely and if people did a few basi…

>>> "We might see something that vaguely resembles what you are describing."

No, there's a 100% chance we will see it if we don't take measures. Watch the news from Wuhan, Italy - it's apoplectic. It's really bad, and if they didn't shut everything down, it would be a zombie movie.

We know that 'shutting things down' works because in China, the virus is contained, at least for now and medical facilities are starting to be able to cope.

>>> "The morbidity rate is far less than 3%"

Source? Because every credible source and the data coming out of various countries puts the rate at somewhere near 3%, not 'far less than' 3%. Some facts [1]

Even a 1.5% death rate is existentially problematic, we're still talking millions of people dead.

Moreover, if you bother to look at the data, you'll see that morbidity rates are a function of access to care, meaning that when Hospitals are 'overwhelmed' - people die at much greater rates. In Italy, it's 5%.

But there's a bigger issue: 20% of people who get it requires specific medical intervention, and at least 5% of them 'intensive care'. COVID is totally overwhelming medical the medical system in 100% of the areas wherein the contagion has let loose; people getting zero treatment, medical staff getting infected, people dying in the hallways, in their homes.

FYI 20% of 330M Americans is 66M people, only a fraction of whom need to be infected for 'zombie apocalypse' in the Hospitals, again: see Italy, Wuhan for what will happen.

>>> Antibiotics?? Antibiotics are not part of this equation.

>>> "and if people did a few basic things like wash their hands and stay at home if they have a preexisting medical condition, then basically nothing would happen. "

No - absolutely not. Having a few people 'wash their hands' and having the elderly 'stay home' will do very little to quash the pandemic.

The evidence from other countries is writ large, the variables are established: extensive testing, restricted travel, social distancing, isolation for any sick person, aggressive operational preparation by medical staff, keeping social order, restriction on large scale events etc. etc..

This is the 'new normal' for at least a few months.

[1] https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-peop...

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by dba7dba »

I don't have the link but I read Seegene is providing about 80% of the coronavirus test kits used in Korea currently.

1. CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-...

The CNN text article is actually pretty good article and also the video is good. The company reports they used AI to speed up the development. They were able to accomplish it in 2 - 3 weeks with a few people instead of 2 - 3 months with many more staffers getting involved.

From the CNN article

The firm is making about 10,000 kits a week and each kit can test 100 patients. So it is making enough to test one million patients each week, at a cost of under $20 per test.

Seegene is now looking to export of the excess capacity to 30 countries including Germany and Italy.

2. Below is 2017 video of a mini-seminar of Seegene's solution platform at a trade show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKL5D19r6t8

The last part shows that they have a software solution for helping faster diagnosis.

As a layman, I felt Seegene's product focus is on getting as many tests done as possible by using following: - One test vial can test multiple issues - Integrating barcode/software to allow faster diagnosis

3. I frankly don't understand why FDA can't approve Seegene's product into US. It's not like people will be injected with liquid/medicine.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by dba7dba »

ta999999171 wrote: post #3

Will Korea sell us tests? Will anyone? Has this been discussed anywhere?

CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-...

Seegene is in talks to export of the excess test kits to 30 countries including Germany and Italy.

No mention of US.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by dba7dba »

ggffryuuj wrote: post #64

I just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses…

I would love to see you link/source.

I have watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw&t=2357s with Michael Osterholm as guest. This is not a flat out lie.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by ggffryuuj »

jariel wrote: post #112
ggffryuuj wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appalling. That’s so funny. The morbidity rate is far less than 3%. Most people who get it probably don’t even realize they have it which makes the numbers look worse than they are. Look I’m not saying nothing should be done. If nothing were done the. We might see something that vaguely resembles what you are describing. If people wouldn’t panic and if antibiotics were prescribed remotely and if people did a few basi…

>>> "We might see something that vaguely resembles what you are describing." No, there's a 100% chance we will see it if we don't take measures. Watch the news from Wuhan, Italy - it's apoplectic. It's really bad, and if they didn't shut everything down, it would be a zombie movie. We know that 'shutting things down' works because in China, the virus is contained, at least for now and medical facilities are starting…

It’s going to be basically totally over in a few months, maybe more.

So you have tipped your hand a bit because you are confused that I would talk about antibiotics. That comment alone has revealed to me that you have no idea what you’re talking about and are probably 14 years old. The way that covid appears to kill most people is by upsetting gas transfer in the lungs and secondary bacterial infections, pneumonia. The treatment for which is antibiotics and an oxygen line. Both of which are plentiful, do not require special skill to acquire or administer.

Im not even going to talk about testing because your head might explode. Washing hands and staying at home, which you contradict yourself by refuting and then recommending under different names, will blunt the impact on hospitals. But it’s important to remember that worst case scenario, we are still here as a country and as a race. That is a luxury compared to how it could be next time. I will give it to you alarmists that we were not prepared at all and we should have been. We were very lucky this time.

Now school is cancelled for you so go play counter strike.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S089684112...

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by ggffryuuj »

dba7dba wrote: post #115
ggffryuuj wrote: post #64

I just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses…

I would love to see you link/source. I have watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw&t=2357s with Michael Osterholm as guest. This is not a flat out lie.

I saw that too. He isn’t a virologist and also is hawking his book. And he’s not very articulate or dispassionate. And he still hasn’t contradicted me in any way. Not unambiguously.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by rasz »

chvid wrote: post #39
ghevshoo wrote: post #5

The situation in Stockholm, Sweden right now is: “You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested in the future. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19.” There are no test kits. Hospitals have run out of face masks. And it’s only just getting started here.

Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. We as nation put on extreme measures but there is no visibility. What is the true number of infected in Denmark? There is no sampling or systematic measurement going on. We probably know less than you guys in Sweden yet we choose the most extreme actions. We just had our PM go on national TV and call on all Danes to return to Denmark as…

>We as nation put on extreme measures

sarcasm? or heard on TV to calm the population?

This is how extreme measures look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0

Denmark is negligent, as is rest of Europe.

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by rasz »

alkonaut wrote: post #77
ghevshoo wrote: post #5

The situation in Stockholm, Sweden right now is: “You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested in the future. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19.” There are no test kits. Hospitals have run out of face masks. And it’s only just getting started here.

Sweden did pretty well to scale from zero to ten test labs in just a couple of weeks though. I read thats more labs than can do the same in the US.

Are you suggesting Sweden had zero labs with PCR machines couple of weeks ago? Is that official propaganda in media right now?

Re: South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus

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Post by dharma1 »

ghevshoo wrote: post #5

The situation in Stockholm, Sweden right now is: “You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested in the future. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19.” There are no test kits. Hospitals have run out of face masks. And it’s only just getting started here.

Same in the UK. You won't be tested any longer if you show symptoms. I called NHS 111 yesterday because my son has high fever and a cough. 2 hour wait time to speak to someone on the phone, which gives an indication of how many people are calling in with symptoms.

They said the symptoms sound like coronavirus, but it's not being tested anymore (it was still being tested at drive-throughs 2 days ago) as the government has moved from "contain" phase to "delay" phase - advised to stay at home for 7 days and call back if it gets worse.

I asked if his brother can continue going to school, given he is probably exposed - the advise was yes, as long as he isn't showing any symptoms.

They have given up trying to contain this and it's difficult to see how you can trust reported case numbers going forward since testing has stopped.

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