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NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

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Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

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This was basically a done deal this morning once the conferences canceled all of their ongoing tournaments, and schools like Duke stopped all sports.

When Duke and Kansas said they were dropping out of the tournament it was over. I bet the NCAA was still trying to figure out if they could still play without fans in attendance. But once the Blue Bloods left, they knew it was done.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#102
post #75

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This isn't meant to be directed at you, but it's hilarious to me what people are focusing on, or what supposedly triggers concern. And just what economic bubbles folks are in, with such little perspective for those around them that share common infrastructure that is going to be stressed in the coming weeks and months. Look. I have multiple friends who have already had all of their shifts canceled for the rest of Mar…

Fragile systems are generally built using single points of failure. Centrally planned solutions are generally rife with them. I will trust the robustness of a system made up of 327.7M individual plans then the command solutions you are suggesting. We will fair much better than Italy even if the disease is more widespread here.

That's not likely. Italy has more hospital capacity per capita than we do [1], has lower cost hospital care, and has been more proactive about testing (almost 8x tests performed) [2]. More beds means less strain when things get bad. Lower costs means people don't wait to get care when needed. More testing means we know where to dedicate resources.

The US is flying blind with a fragmented, expensive medical system that discourages those who need care or testing from getting that care. What might save us (marginally) is that much of the country is fairly rural, and we're far less dense so the spread rate might be lower. However strictly none of the doctors I've spoken to (one of whom is an infectious disease specialist at SF General) believes we have the capacity to deal with the crisis. To a person they say that if it starts spiraling in the US it will get very bad, very fast.

By the way, those countries or areas that avoided the worst of it (Taiwan, Singapore, several provinces in China outside Wuhan, to a limited extent South Korea) have taken centralized, planned, dramatic action to do so. This is one place where central planning is probably the better choice.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hosp... [2] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#103

good. this country spends too much of people's money and attention on this nonsense. maybe we can make this permanent. it is insane that one can get into a college with zero brain power just for being tall (and ncaa and co enable that). what possible use does society have for that long term?

Entertainment... What use does society have for Facebook and Twitter long term? Those are far more detrimental to society than college basketball.

couldn't agree more

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#104

good. this country spends too much of people's money and attention on this nonsense. maybe we can make this permanent. it is insane that one can get into a college with zero brain power just for being tall (and ncaa and co enable that). what possible use does society have for that long term?

> this country spends too much of people's money and attention on this nonsense

Are you also against TV, movies, video games, reading fiction, etc.? God forbid people spend their money on entertainment. I'm not even a basketball fan, but I can recognize that your comment is absolutely ridiculous.

> can get into a college with zero brain power just for being tall

Basketball is a lot more than "being tall"...

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#105
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We don't even know who's sick and who isn't because we don't have enough test kits.

But the President said that anyone that wants a test can have one, and that it is our fault for not getting tested.

Not true.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#106
post #58

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It isn't likely. An NBA caliber player that is a senior will likely have played 100+ NCAA basketball games. A few good/bad games in the tournament isn't going to change their overall chance of getting picked in the NBA draft. And the NBA draft is very shallow to begin with, only 60 picks total and still some of those players don't make the teams. In the NFL and MLB it is very common for undrafted/late round picks to…

there have been guys who went from a second round pick (non-guaranteed contract) to a first round pick (guaranteed $1M+) on the strength of their tournament play.

But of course there is another player who had a bad tournament or whose team didn't make the tournament that dropped from a first round pick to a second round pick based on another player rising.

I'm basically trying to answer this question: Is there a player who is talented enough to play in the NBA, but won't get that chance because the NCAA tournament is cancelled. The answer is no. If the player is on the bubble they'll likely get a G-League contract and if they excel in the G-League they'll get a shot in the NBA.

If they drop from the first round to the second round, they'll still get a chance. Obviously a good tournament or bad tournament might chance draft ordering and short term compensation, but the average NBA salary is ~7 million dollars. A million dollars here and there isn't going to make a difference if the player is truly NBA caliber.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#107
post #47

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That's a nice fantasy you are having, but for the elite athletes in the money sports, the scholarship has nothing whatever to do with an academic degree .

That presents a big problem because athletes are also living a fantasy where they all imagine going pro. Less than 1% of college football players go pro! Same order of magnitude for college basketball players.

You might be conflating college athletes with high school and middle school athletes.

By the time you reaches college, you typically:

1. have enough data to see how quickly you're improving;

2. are exposed to a much wider pool of talent than you were previously. Chances are there are many people at your level of athletics that are far better than you; and

3. are exposed to a much more difficult environment than high school and middle school. Combined with 1 and 2, many athletes lose the desire to work that hard for so long.

For athletes that aren't in the upper tier of college athletics, reality has set in even earlier.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#108
post #58

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It isn't likely. An NBA caliber player that is a senior will likely have played 100+ NCAA basketball games. A few good/bad games in the tournament isn't going to change their overall chance of getting picked in the NBA draft. And the NBA draft is very shallow to begin with, only 60 picks total and still some of those players don't make the teams. In the NFL and MLB it is very common for undrafted/late round picks to…

Do you think Zion Williamson would still be as legendary as he is now without last year's tournament? He was well-known going into it but I feel like his performance and the attention he got during it helped a lot.

Zion Williamson was already regarded as the consensus #1 pick prior to the NCAA tournament. Yes, I think Zion Williamson would still be as legendary as he is now without last year's tournament. If the extra rest would have led to him not getting injured in the NBA preseason, he may even be considered more legendary.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

#109
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't likely. An NBA caliber player that is a senior will likely have played 100+ NCAA basketball games. A few good/bad games in the tournament isn't going to change their overall chance of getting picked in the NBA draft. And the NBA draft is very shallow to begin with, only 60 picks total and still some of those players don't make the teams. In the NFL and MLB it is very common for undrafted/late round picks to…

Do you think Zion Williamson would still be as legendary as he is now without last year's tournament? He was well-known going into it but I feel like his performance and the attention he got during it helped a lot.

The guy is 6'6" and 280 lbs and can fly. There are only one of him in this world. The only other players like him in my lifetime are Shaq, Yao and Lebron. Just unique physical phenoms. He was going #1 regardless of his performance in the tournament. Heck, Yao and Lebron didn't even play college basketball and went #1.

Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

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post #102
post #75

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Fragile systems are generally built using single points of failure. Centrally planned solutions are generally rife with them. I will trust the robustness of a system made up of 327.7M individual plans then the command solutions you are suggesting. We will fair much better than Italy even if the disease is more widespread here.

That's not likely. Italy has more hospital capacity per capita than we do [1], has lower cost hospital care, and has been more proactive about testing (almost 8x tests performed) [2]. More beds means less strain when things get bad. Lower costs means people don't wait to get care when needed. More testing means we know where to dedicate resources. The US is flying blind with a fragmented, expensive medical system tha…

Not to delve too deeply into this, but I believe you're factually incorrect about the hospital capacity of Italy versus the United States. What matters in the number of critical care beds because they have the equipment available such as a ventilator. A study from 2012 has Italy at 12.5 beds per 100k people, which puts them at the high end of middle for Europe. For example, Germany has 29.2 per 100k according to that study, which is more than double. The United States has 34.9 per 100k people in 2009 [2] and I believe that number has continued to go up. Also, to be clear, a better number is probably number of critical care beds per 100k of people over 65 due to how more likely they are to be affected. I don't know the current number for Italy, but the United States according to the link above is at 189.4.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229013572_The_varia...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4351597/

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