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Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in markets

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Re: Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in markets

#101

"inject 1.5t" by that do they mean a 1.5t panic bailout for wall street? how can we find 1.5t in the budget but no money for universal healthcare, student loan forgiveness, ubi etc. The markets wouldn't be so important if there were a safety net.

>how can we find 1.5t in the budget

Central bank ≠ treasury.

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post #13

As the joke goes, a trillion here a trillion there and pretty soon you're talking about some real money! But in seriousness, the next week is a critical time in the world. I remember sitting in an airport when news of Lehman Brothers collapse was flashing on the TV screens. I'm reminded of that time. We learned later about how Hank Paulson got down on one knee and begged Nancy Pelosi to go along with is plan to save…

I don't think anyone is being partisan and tribal for the hell of it. Before last night, Trump's concern re: coronavirus was myopically focused on the economy. Now we're shutting the borders, as if we don't have upwards of a thousand cases here already. And as a sibling comment notes, it seems like Senate Republicans are poised to veto the coronavirus bill that's passed the House.

It's not "partisan and tribal" to criticize this administration and the GOP for their failure to respond. If they were doing a good job here, it would be one thing. But they're not, and for that we need to hold them accountable.

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#103
post #57

I honestly don't think this is going to work. Markets and investors are notoriously greedy and have a very short memory. This infusion will lift the market for a day (if at all) and institutions will make money and the next day the news cycle will take over and the selling will continue. We are in the early phases of negative news so not sure effective this will be.

No idea how you get downvoted. Market has already sold off the gains from the stimulus. Lasted a few minutes. Not very well spent money IMO.

it's not a stimulus it's loans to prevent a liquidity crisis and the credit markets from freezing up. It was the credit markets in 2008 that nearly killed the world economy. They dwarf the stock market.

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post #69
post #13

As the joke goes, a trillion here a trillion there and pretty soon you're talking about some real money! But in seriousness, the next week is a critical time in the world. I remember sitting in an airport when news of Lehman Brothers collapse was flashing on the TV screens. I'm reminded of that time. We learned later about how Hank Paulson got down on one knee and begged Nancy Pelosi to go along with is plan to save…

>But if there were ever a time for us not to be partisan and tribal, it's now. You say that like both parties are trying to deny testing and are refusing to provide the social safety net for workers to stay home when they're sick. This is very much not a "both sides" discussion. This is: the GOP needs to stop trying to pretend like nothing is wrong and actually DO SOMETHING to prevent this from becoming an even bigge…

I think what gdubs was trying to get across is that sure, there are problems, people to blame, etc. but now is not the time. We have to get our act together and handle the situation. We can't have petty fighting betweeen parties.

Now is the time to unite and act. We can fight, argue and point fingers once this is all behind us.

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#105
post #83

Universal healthcare? Too expensive. $1.5T to bail out wall street? Sure!

I don't think you fully understand the subject. This money did not 'bail out wall street', it made sure the bottom did not drop out of the market which would affect pensions and savings plans of very large numbers of people. The thing to worry about is that it did not work.

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Fed isn't printing 1.5 trillion greenbacks and handing out fat sacks on Wall St. They are providing short-term loans to increase the amount of money in circulation (liquidity). The intent is to increase the total amount of trading occurring so that the market can return to equilibrium sooner than later. The Fed wants to prevent firms from not making trades solely for lack of liquidity in the market. edit: "from m…

> They are providing short-term loans They're also buying assets, e.g. Treasuries. This is about increasing liquidity, not printing money.

It's the closest to printing money as the real world gets. "Hey here's an insane amount of money at 0% interest rate so you could literally invest in ANYTHING and make free money. Go ham."

Lets remember what causes slowdowns in productivity, panics, the great depression, the recession etc: people being slammed with too high interest rates for what's feasible for them to repay when times are tough. If the fed offered low interest rates directly it would be a different world. Remember also, the world is an auction house, so when people get these kinds of perks and you don't, your money doesnt go as far.

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#107
post #13

As the joke goes, a trillion here a trillion there and pretty soon you're talking about some real money! But in seriousness, the next week is a critical time in the world. I remember sitting in an airport when news of Lehman Brothers collapse was flashing on the TV screens. I'm reminded of that time. We learned later about how Hank Paulson got down on one knee and begged Nancy Pelosi to go along with is plan to save…

This disease didn't exist 4 months ago and you're calling it a scandal that they can't process billions of tests in that short time frame? It's also not enough to be tested just once as there have been many false negatives. Scaling that up is an immense challenge. It was also exacerbated by the fact that China wouldn't allow our researchers into the country to study the disease. Meanwhile they've already reached stage 1 clinical trials for a vaccine in just 2 months. Fastest turnaround time ever for any clinical trial of a vaccine, ever.

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#108
post #69
post #13

As the joke goes, a trillion here a trillion there and pretty soon you're talking about some real money! But in seriousness, the next week is a critical time in the world. I remember sitting in an airport when news of Lehman Brothers collapse was flashing on the TV screens. I'm reminded of that time. We learned later about how Hank Paulson got down on one knee and begged Nancy Pelosi to go along with is plan to save…

>But if there were ever a time for us not to be partisan and tribal, it's now. You say that like both parties are trying to deny testing and are refusing to provide the social safety net for workers to stay home when they're sick. This is very much not a "both sides" discussion. This is: the GOP needs to stop trying to pretend like nothing is wrong and actually DO SOMETHING to prevent this from becoming an even bigge…

You can't just conjure the necessary tests up from nothing. Japan has also had problems with testing. No one is trying to "deny testing". It is a work in progress and is indeed ramping up.

Re: Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in markets

#110
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But if there were ever a time for us not to be partisan and tribal, it's now. You say that like both parties are trying to deny testing and are refusing to provide the social safety net for workers to stay home when they're sick. This is very much not a "both sides" discussion. This is: the GOP needs to stop trying to pretend like nothing is wrong and actually DO SOMETHING to prevent this from becoming an even bigge…

You can't just conjure the necessary tests up from nothing. Japan has also had problems with testing. No one is trying to "deny testing". It is a work in progress and is indeed ramping up.

The FDA had a ban on tests outside of the CDC's tiny supply for a long time. That's whats being referred to by "denying testing." Not a political issue so much as a typical bureaucratic slowdown with very real consequences.
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