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It seems like patent laws are a barrier to grow your business up to a certain size in the US. Would it be more sensible to incorporate in a jurisdiction - say, Canada - which does not allow such broad patents?

If you operate in a country you fall victim to its patent laws, regardless of where you incorporate.

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I remember when I worked at IBM Hursley research labs 20 years ago. The lab director told us all "patents are very important to IBM". I expected him to tell us that IBM made billions from licensing them. He didn't say that though. I don't think he even _mentioned_ that. Instead he stated: "It raises the entry barrier for the competition". Patents were (narrowly) created to _encourage_ the spread of knowledge. Instead…

And they are entirely one sided. Try suing Google for patent or trademark infringement. I've seen the attempts: it's impossible to get justice. The entire system is rigged and serves as yet another way for powerful interests to extract value from productive members of society.

Right, but this is because institutions like Google use their power to weaken patent rights.

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One thought would be, if there was no duty implied in the specific enumeration of this power and it's implied goal, then why wouldn't it just be part of the necessary and proper clause?

I think a much more obvious question is why wouldn't they just write down what they meant instead of obfuscating their intentions? You are literally looking for something that isn't there, because it is not written down. I would love for a lawyer to chime in, because admittedly this is not my wheelhouse.

If you think that you probably shouldn't deal with a lot of statutes. For what it's worth, despite your contentions, I don't at all believe it is confusing. But I'm a litigator and I went to law school.

Re: IBM sues Airbnb for patent royalties

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It seems like patent laws are a barrier to grow your business up to a certain size in the US. Would it be more sensible to incorporate in a jurisdiction - say, Canada - which does not allow such broad patents?

I’m not 100% sure but they should be able to sue you for sales gained at USA.

Unfortunately entire system is built around protecting monopolies / giant corporations.

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It's true some of the founders were skeptical, I never said otherwise and I never said it was "uncontested. What I said was that it's inclusion in the Constitution is for a clear reason, whether or not the reasoning is valid is a different debate. As I pointed out, the constitution grants congress the EXPLICIT AUTHORIZATION you refer to, for the very purpose of promoting the PROGRESS of the arts and sciences. I guess…

"Framers" is more correct. Not all the Founding Fathers participated in authoring the constitution. Secondly, an explicit reason implies a condition: Is current patent law actually fit for the stated purpose? Lastly, another comment here refers to the language of "amendments," presumably the Bill of Rights. The Copyright Clause is a clause, not an amendment, and not part of the BoR.

As I've said dozens of times now - "is current patent law actually fit for the stated purpose?" is an entirely valid, YET DISTINCT, question.

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You could give us a reason why

not that I'm agreeing, but doesn't the burden of truth lie with the one who made the original claim about AirBnb not caring about laws historically?

Right, but given that AirBnB listed illegal hotels and fought local governments in taking them down, it is fair to say they do not have regard for the law. Further, it is clear that a significant portion of their business relied upon such listings.

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IBM made a large investment in Prodigy the bbs/internet service of the 90's and came out of it with a lot of patents.

Wouldn’t those patents have expired? The 90s is now more than 20 years ago.

There's this ugly thing called a continuation. You file a patent in the 90s, the patent office says "I don't think so", you modify the patent, the PTO still says no, you modify it again, and so on. If I understand correctly, you can wind up with a patent with a priority date of when you first filed, but an expiration date of 20 years from when it was finally granted. (The "priority date" means that you need prior art from before that date to invalidate the patent.)

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The Constitution requires that Congress setup laws for both copyright and patent, for the good of the nation. Patents were always intended for the overall wellbeing of the nation. That's not to say that is what has always been achieved by the patent system, but it's not some sort of conspiracy. If anything, in history, they were always OSTENSIBLY for good, but perhaps ACTUALLY bad. So I find your statement to be A) h…

The Framers were skeptical of enabling government to give out patent and copyright monopoly grants. Jefferson wrote: Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than…

The Framers also actively supported and participated in the slavery trade, believing it was perfectly reasonable and rational to own people as property.

Re: IBM sues Airbnb for patent royalties

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And they are entirely one sided. Try suing Google for patent or trademark infringement. I've seen the attempts: it's impossible to get justice. The entire system is rigged and serves as yet another way for powerful interests to extract value from productive members of society.

Right, but this is because institutions like Google use their power to weaken patent rights.

As long as it suits them. I think the bigger reason is that in many civil cases (not just IP) it ultimately comes down to who is willing to pay more for lawyers and legal fees.
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