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Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

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Except most muggles I know are saying that Y2K was a complete fraud because nothing went wrong, and it was all a scam. I'm seriously thinking of hibernating through the 30 days covering Y2038.

Really? Even in flyover country the people I know tend to understand that it was only not an issue because of hard work on the front-end.

At least one of us is in a bubble. Whenever it comes up in conversation among general groups, at east half the people are adamant it was all a waste of time and money, and driven my frauds trying to make easy money.

Of the remainder, perhaps half don't really have an opinion.

The remaining 25% vaguely accept that it was a real problem, but are not at all aware of the real extent.

Anecdata, to be sure, but you might want to spread your net more widely when asking people what they think.

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

#153

To add a little nuance: A global retailer you've definitely heard of that used to own stores in Germany spent a lot of time preparing for Y2K. This was a long and painful process, but it got done in time. But problems still slipped through. These problems ended up not being that big and visible because a large percentage of the code base had just been recently vetted, and a useful minority of that had been recently u…

I love these kinds of war stories of incredibly capable people. That was great planning for the unknowns.

I've worked in silicon valley for the past 11 years, in startups as well as two so-called FAANG companies. There are a lot of brilliant people out here.

So that is well known. What's not well known is this: there are pockets of brilliant people elsewhere, including Bentonville, Arkansas.

Especially in the years running up to 2000, I had the pleasure and honor of working with some of the most talented people in the world, even though we were all looked down on by many people on the coasts.

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

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I worked for Columbia/HCA, now HealthCare of America, at the time and we started gearing up for Y2K in January, 1997.

Every system, every piece of hardware - both in the data centers and in the hospitals - had to be certified Y2K compliant in enough time to correct the issue. As I recall, we were trying to target being Y2K ready on January 1, 1999 but that date slipped.

A "Mission Control" was created at the Data Center and it was going to be activated on December 15, 1999, running 24 hours a day until all issues were resolved. Every IT staff member was going to rotate through Mission Control and every staffer was going to have to serve some third shifts too.

I left Columbia/HCA in June, 1999 after they wanted to move me into COBOL. I had no desire to do so and I took a programming position with the Tennessee Department of Transportation.

I remember my first day on the job when I asked my boss what our Y2K policy was. He shrugged and said "If it breaks, we'll fix it when we get back from New Year's".

What a difference!!!

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

#156

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!!! I think you might be using an unusual description of "the public"

I think you probably misunderstand the actual size of this public. Between 30% and 40% believe that the earth was created as is between 6k and 10k years ago. https://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationist... People who believe that the earth evolved over time due to a completely natural process is mostly gaining ground through losses to "god guided evolution" not young earthers who are going strong.

30-40% of Americans maybe.

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

#157
I was a programmer for a large school district in the bay area from 1996 to 1999. What a great way to cut my teeth professionally!

Yeah, it was a big deal. Pretty much all dev work was done by me and one other guy. How much dev work could a school district have back then? Oh, lots. Every school, and in some cases individual educators, would send in requests for various reports, and each one required configuring a mainframe job, running it, and doing some kind of thing with the output (conversion to a "modern" format on a 3.5" disk or printing it or something). Every payroll cycle required a lot of manual labor, every report card cycle, there were daily student attendance jobs, and this particular district had a rather advanced, for the time, centrally-managed network across the entire district with Solaris DNS.

So on top of all this regular workload, we had to go over pretty much every single line of COBOL in that mainframe, visually, and search for Y2K-related bugs. There were many. The Solaris box needed to be patched too, and the first patches that came out weren't great and I didn't know what I was doing yet either.

So we started on this in earnest in Summer of 1997, while everyone was out of school. We ran a lot of test jobs, which involved halting all regular work, monkeying around with the mainframe's date, and then running a payroll job to see what blew up. By late 1999, my mentor there was pulling multiple all-nighters. He had a family of his own too and it really impacted his health.

There were mountains of greenbar printouts in our little office, all code, with bright red pen marks. Such was life when working on a mainframe at the time. The school district also brought out of retirement the guy who had written much of the key operating system components for our mainframe. I believe he came on as a consultant at rates that would be pretty nice even by today's standards.

In the end, school restarted after winter vacation and most things ran okay. A few jobs blew up where we had missed something here or there, but everyone by then had got sort of accustomed to the chaos and it just needed a phone call to say, "it broke, we're working on it, call you tomorrow".

Rough estimate, there was probably over a thousand hours' worth of labor to fix it all. Had that not been done, virtually nothing in that school district would have worked correctly by the beginning of 2000. (Some things started failing a month or two in advance, depending on the date arithmetic they needed to do.)

And these weren't just "year 100" printer errors; a lot of things simply barfed in some fancy way or another, or produced nonsense output, or -- in the most fun cases -- produced a lot of really incorrect data that was then handed off to other jobs, which then produced a lot of even more incorrect data, and then saved it all to the database.

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

#158
You're darn tootin' it was real. It was only through the dedicated, focused efforts of thousands of unsung IT heroes that we averted catastrophe.

Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't have.

Even in the late 80's I had to argue with some colleagues that we really shouldn't be using two-digit dates anymore.

I worked with 80-column punched cards in the 70's, every column was precious, you had to use two-digit years. When we converted to disc, storage was still small and expensive, and we had to stay with two-digit years.

See: http://www.kyber.ca/rants/year2000.htm

Re: Ask HN: Was the Y2K crisis real?

#160

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Fortunately the two events will occur in the order they that they will. Having a reference will help explain the issue.

Except most muggles I know are saying that Y2K was a complete fraud because nothing went wrong, and it was all a scam. I'm seriously thinking of hibernating through the 30 days covering Y2038.

I've heard plenty of people say it was a fraud, but I've not met any who believes that strongly. A gentle correction has always resulted in a shrug and "yeah I guess you're right, that makes sense." So while Y2K skepticism is real and widespread, I don't think it's really something to worry about. It doesn't seem to be a matter people are passionately wrong about. It's not like antivaxxers where corrections are met with insults and accusations of conspiracy.
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