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Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by sweeneyrod »

Thorentis wrote: post #114
soren_dahl wrote: post #10

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The regional coefficients they use to set salary are a real turn off. https://about.gitlab.com/salary/data.json

Ouch, even within Australia they have large discrepancies between capital cities. One of the reasons why remote work appealed to me, was that I was hoping to escape the unfair wage difference between cities. The fact GitLab maintains it despite not having to pay for real estate in the city you work from is totally unreasonable. Same work, same pay. I'll never apply for them.

Is it unreasonable for a random Indian company not to pay the same wages as one in SF (assuming the work is the same)? What about if both companies are consultancies doing projects for Gitlab? If differences in those cases are fine, why is there a sudden change if the employees of the above companies start working for Gitlab directly rather than through a proxy?

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by nitely »

hocuspocus wrote: post #91
nadam wrote: post #79

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As an Eastern Europian such practices really sadden me. Cannot this be hacked though? Could I somehow apply from a rich country and then spend 360 of 365 days in a year in a poor country?

Even if you pull this off, you'd be in a situation where the company that hires you (outside the US they mostly use 3rd party employment providers) and/or you are committing tax fraud in a way or another.

Isn't the promise of working fully remote that you can be a "digital nomad"? What if I just want to visit poor countries while my home is in the US?

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by amiga-workbench »

Marqin wrote: post #46
skissane wrote: post #24

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I totally understand why a company won't hire from Iran, North Korea, Syria, Sudan, Cuba, Crimea – exposure to US sanctions threatens to cause severe negative repercussions. But, why single out France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Sweden and Austria out of EU member states? What problems do they have which other EU member states lack? Similarly, if Argentina and Brazil are a problem, what about Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ve…

UAE has weird bans on many VOIP solutions, also VPNs are in a bit grey area - I guess that would make remote work too problematic with the tools they use internaly.

I ran into this while doing work for several companies in Oman, their state telecom provider is in a monopoly position for voice calls, and the VOIP ban is to push business to them.

They had some pretty ridiculous workarounds, like using teamviewer for its voice chat function.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by hocuspocus »

nitely wrote: post #142
hocuspocus wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you pull this off, you'd be in a situation where the company that hires you (outside the US they mostly use 3rd party employment providers) and/or you are committing tax fraud in a way or another.

Isn't the promise of working fully remote that you can be a "digital nomad"? What if I just want to visit poor countries while my home is in the US?

Whose promise? According to tax and immigration laws that is certainly not the case in most of the world.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by vsareto »

cyphar wrote: post #109
lampe3 wrote: post #105

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The question is why do you need a whiteboard? What problem is the whiteboard solving? Drawing freely with a mouse is something that can be done but also you have tools like draw.io if you need to draw something.

Whiteboards are absolutely indispensable for communicating ideas quickly in a small group of people. It's effectively just a bigger (and easier to erase) version of grabbing a scrap of paper to scribble something down when explaining or describing something to someone else. I'm honestly more surprised that this isn't a universally known concept on HN. Scribbling on scraps of paper is something most people in western…

I'd actually prefer less whiteboarding to people spending a bit more of their own time on their ideas. Think about it and research it for a few days before calling a meeting.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by geodel »

sschueller wrote: post #3

I find it interesting how they achieve this and it also gives people in remote places the ability to work for such a company. What I don't agree with is the pay scale they use based on your location. If you have the same skills, you should be paid the same.

Does McDonald's burger flipper gets paid same everywhere in the world? Or for any other local service or product do these people will pay Silicon valley prices? Otherwise it would just mean software people do think of themselves as a superior species that earthly rules of economics must not apply to them.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by JshWright »

philbarr wrote: post #99
hackerbabz wrote: post #7

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Because when I work I produce a product for my employer. My employer sells that product at the same price regardless of where it was produced.

But they might sell it at different prices in different markets

Does GitLab apply their regional coefficients to their pricing?

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by ratww »

geodel wrote: post #146
sschueller wrote: post #3

I find it interesting how they achieve this and it also gives people in remote places the ability to work for such a company. What I don't agree with is the pay scale they use based on your location. If you have the same skills, you should be paid the same.

Does McDonald's burger flipper gets paid same everywhere in the world? Or for any other local service or product do these people will pay Silicon valley prices? Otherwise it would just mean software people do think of themselves as a superior species that earthly rules of economics must not apply to them.

McDonald's burguer flippers don't work in the same codebase, nor they work remotely.

Re: Gitlab's Guide to All-Remote

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Post by KptMarchewa »

cyphar wrote: post #109
lampe3 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is why do you need a whiteboard? What problem is the whiteboard solving? Drawing freely with a mouse is something that can be done but also you have tools like draw.io if you need to draw something.

Whiteboards are absolutely indispensable for communicating ideas quickly in a small group of people. It's effectively just a bigger (and easier to erase) version of grabbing a scrap of paper to scribble something down when explaining or describing something to someone else. I'm honestly more surprised that this isn't a universally known concept on HN. Scribbling on scraps of paper is something most people in western…

I don't really do that.
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