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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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#751

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Yes, it's the value of the exponent that I am talking about. Smaller is, uh, exponentially, better than larger. (I'm being sarcastic, but changing the exponent is (literally) what all the public health messaging about flattening the curve is about)

(to be completely pedantic, flattening the curve is about changing the base. The exponent is time.)

No, the equation is (currently infected)^(rate*time).

Community mitigation changes the rate.

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Are we calling disease victims coyotes now?

Analogies serve a descriptive purpose to highlight common characteristics They can be purposely interpreted on the basis of their obvious uncommon characteristics but that is very unproductive

Analogies can also be used to dehumanize victims. It's pretty unproductive to refer to people as vermin, coyotes, animals, etc. Unless you're trying to "highlight common characteristics."

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#753

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>The host assured him that was premature. And yet here we are the next day. The situation is evolving rapidly. Meh. Your personal risk to become infected via $generic_domestic_holidays is pretty low, but the risk to increase the overall threat-vector by allowing open flights from domestic zones is very high. The personal assessment just differs from the supervising political assessment, while the observed/assessed si…

Yeah, you need a influenza epidemic expert, all the rests are just repeating second-hand information.

Joe Rogan has had such an ad hoc expert just this week, highly recommended. A sobering cold and factual shower.

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#754

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I wonder about British/Irish people. Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? (I don't intend to do this.)

> Passports for EU citizens aren't stamped anywhere in the EU. I live in Denmark. Would the USA know if I flew to the UK, then the USA? This kind of question is a weird one to me. It's like "oh, marijuana prohibition hasn't worked so we should tax it and regulated it". If you're breaking the law, there's sanctions. You may or may not get caught, and you may or may not be penalised, but that imperfection doesn't decid…

it's a legit question which is the pillar of (software) security thinking. It's called parallel or adversarial thinking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_thinking

what would work in that case is take the Channel Tunnel to England, then lie about how long you've stayed in the UK. It probably wouldn't work if you have taken a flight out/in the EU in the past months as that would show up to any customs official.

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#755

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Mea culpa. Makes sense when someone can't distinguish between themselves, their business and a country, so it would never be UTC. That would be too convenient for other people.

Does anybody know for certain if friday midnight means friday 00:00 am or friday 11:59 pm? Basically, start of day friday or end of day?

Midnight never refers to 11.59pm, which is one minute before midnight. I can say that for certain.

Normally I would take "midnight on Friday" as an instant to mean 2400, since if you're somewhere at 1am on Saturday morning you wouldn't consider it a problem to say "we were out partying on Friday night", but if you were there at 11pm on Friday night you would consider it a problem to say "we were out partying on Saturday night.

However in the particular case of something beginning, I would normally take take it to mean "the very start of Friday according to legal time".

Likewise, in the particular case of something ending, I would normally take it to mean "the very end of Friday according to legal time".

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#756

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> I wouldn't be surprised if in a week or two they don't feel like they dodged a massive bullet. I'm guessing you didn't mean this to be a double negative? In other words: > I would be surprised if in a week or two they feel like they dodged a massive bullet but I suspect you meant the opposite?

This is known as “negative concord” and shows up often in colloquial English. While popularly associated with African American and Appalachian dialects, it actually occurs almost everywhere English is spoken. (E.g. Pink Floyd’s chorus, “We don’t need no education / We don’t need no thought control”.) Even in formal writing, double negatives are common using “nor”. Consider the sentence, “He is not satisfied at all wi…

That sounds like a misplaced and ideological canned response, since I've never heard negative concord in this context.

Most people would just accept it as getting confused about the number of negatives in a sentence - as indeed did the op.

Not everything is simply informal grammar; real fleshy human beings do get confused when they try complicated sentences like double negatives.

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#757

Trying hard not to be political. But POTUS speech seems to make things lot worse than better along anything. The efficacy of this travel ban is questionable (given all these exceptions such as one for UK. Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US?). But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did so in good faith. It is what's not in the sp…

a lot of people who criticize the ban says its arbitrary, etc etc. go to the site below. you can also sort by total cases / 1m pop. US stopped travel to China while the EU did not, and you can see that in the numbers. Right now, the US has one of the lowest rates in the world: 4 per million. If you want to call Trump for a mistake, it was not banning travel from EU sooner, when they themselves didn't ban travel to Ch…

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#758
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They did?

Depending on to which country they intended to travel exactly but all the western side of Europe is on the brink of COVID-19 explosion. Germany, France and Spain are just 7-10 days behind Italy based on number of corona virus infections. The rest are possibly around 2 weeks behind, I have not run the numbers for every country (disclosure: I am not a medical professional, my estimates are based on simple time series b…

Yay! I'm in Germany! The authorities here don't seem to care). I was trying to buy some food yesterday and there were massive queues hanging outside various apparently crowded social venues.

At least I work from home and my wife has been told they have to start wfh tomorrow.

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#759

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Excluding the UK hints that this is, at least in part, politically motivated. In terms of risk the UK is no different to other European countries. We are certainly not immune to coronavirus, and there are currently no restrictions on travel between the UK and the continent.

There are many more flights terminating in the UK than any other European country. Plus, American students studying abroad in the UK have yet to return home.

These seem like arguments for including the UK in the flight ban.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

#760

Just de-boarded and re-boarded an aircraft going to Europe from NY because of this „small“ missing „detail“ in the initial announcement. 4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. Ouch.

It's so dumb, immediate family members not applicable -- so check-in agents are now going to be in the business of examining birth certificates?

It actually happens, in some hotels around the world, that they will demand a marriage certificate if they're sus. So an Indonesian marriage certificate is like a passport.
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