hey mods, the link should be changed to the white house proclamation, news sites are having some trouble with accuracy.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation...
U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
My 2 cents. All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. That doesn't mean it's sufficient, but it's something positive. I think we would all like to see stronger social distancing rules domestically (in the US), but here the US has a problem as it granted the President broad discretionary powers to suspend international travel but not domestic gatherings, which can't be banned via executive order…
> I'm declaring that the MLB season needs to be delayed The NBA just suspended their season "until further notice".
Right and it wasn't the president's decision. Not sure what your point is.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in Washington Governor Inslee declared a State of Emergency, which gives him the power to, among other things, mobilize the National Guard and State militias to establish field hospitals. This is essentially the same reaction China had with regard to building temporary hospitals, but at the state level instead of the federal level. We don't need federal powers, just competent state leadership.
My Bellevue daycare told me today that they probably won’t close unless a worker, kid, or family member gets the virus or...the state shuts them down. Fun times.
Even if they won't close, you can still pull your kid out when you believe it's prudent to do so, right?
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
To reiterate what others said, it is long past containment in the United States. In Canada early on the cases were people who came from known hot spots. Now it is almost entirely people coming from the United States, from places with no known cases. Clearly there are clusters throughout the United States. Unconfirmed, unrecognized clusters. And with the adversity of many to utilizing health care, it seems impossible…
> It's also worth noting that this flight ban applies only to non-Americans, just as the Wuhan restriction before did. During the prior travel restriction dozens of flights a day were going to and from Wuhan -- they just had Americans on them, who apparently aren't susceptible to the foreign virus. This new restriction is identical, allowing Americans to march the globe with their COVID-19, but at least they kept out…
The US can't restrict its own citizens from returning (although it could certainly impose a quarantine), and I didn't claim or imply that they should.
The point is that the action is farce. Those flights to and from Wuhan were always full of primarily Americans, and continued unabated. Just as Americans can still fly to and from Europe, though obviously carriers are going to drastically cut the flight counts.
Regardless, it is without an ounce of doubt that COVID-19 is spreading, completely uncontrolled, throughout the US. Italy is a week or so ahead of the United States, but sadly the most probable outcome is a catastrophe in the near future.
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That study isn't saying anything contrary to what the CDC is saying. Or am I the parent that you're agreeing with, and you meant "regardless of whatever the CDC is saying?"
Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant. Your quote from the CDC said that the virus has poor survivability on surfaces, but the study I linked concluded it can survive for 2-3 days.
The relevant part of the CDC quote was "because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks" and the study preprint you linked showed that in the worst case (polypropylene surfaces) no live virus at all was detected after 72 hours while on cardboard it was more like a third of that time (with large error bars).
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#416How is this going to help? They can get in from Africa, Canada, Mexico, India? Ban them all later???
Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
>most credible source Which would you say is the most credible source then?
This study [1] says it can last on surfaces for 2-3 days. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...
Which would be consistent with the risk being low for goods shipped from Europe or Asia to North America, right?
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#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm declaring that the MLB season needs to be delayed The NBA just suspended their season "until further notice".
Right and it wasn't the president's decision. Not sure what your point is.
"An observation of something that was presently occurring that had some relevance to the discussion".
Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is false. Any reduction in travel is going to have a positive effect. The best situation is for people to reduce their exposure to other people and to stay at home. If they do need to be exposed to others, the best is for them to be exposed to the same set of people all the time, and not to different sets of people.
This seems not fully worked out. Assuming total travel is constrained, selectively limiting travel to particular areas concentrates travel in the remaining areas, which increases the average number of contacts between travelers, which violates your “reducing exposure to other people is best” rule of thumb. By your model, some reductions in travel ought to have a negative effect. Is that a fair corollary?
Why would you assume total travel is constrained? Restricting travel from Europe to US will just eliminate that portion of travel, not concentrate it in the US.
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#420Why is the U.K. not included? This is so weird; it's such a mess in the UK too.
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1237941455693533184
The travel restriction applies to foreign nationals who have been in 26 European countries with open borders agreements, in the last 14 days.
UK is not included because it has never been a part of Schengen ("26 European countries"), which is targeted for refusal to impose travel restrictions.