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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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dboreham wrote: post #389
brianpgordon wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. From the CDC: > It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. > In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipp…

>but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. How does it spread then? Seems hard to believe all these people are being infected through hand shakes or being coughed on.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

elbasti wrote: post #159

What's the endgame for the pandemic? Assume all governments act more-or-less correctly; people self quarantine, companies switch to remote work, etc. When does the world get back to normal? In two years after a vaccine is developed? This summer? Ever?

If it doesn't have the power to re-infect (which isn't known yet), then once herd immunity is achieved, things should return somewhat to normal.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by brianpgordon »

dboreham wrote: post #389
brianpgordon wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. From the CDC: > It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. > In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipp…

>but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads. How does it spread then? Seems hard to believe all these people are being infected through hand shakes or being coughed on.

I'm just going to quote the CDC again, because public health authorities are really the best sources of information we have and I don't want to participate in the "telephone" effect that paraphrasing begets:

> The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

> * Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).

> * Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

> These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission...

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by tidenly »

irq11 wrote: post #259
wbl wrote: post #245

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Until the hospitals are overloaded.

This has not happened in Korea, Japan or Singapore, and all have been dealing with the virus for longer than Europe. At some point, this scary story is going to have to be adjusted to reflect reality.

Asia has way more experience dealing with these outbreaks than the west though. Think MERS

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Post by vanniv »

yellowapple wrote: post #253
kortex wrote: post #156

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There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.

I'm betting we've been seeded since even before Wuhan's quarantine started. My folks and I all got pretty thoroughly sick during a cruise in early January, and they're becoming increasingly convinced it was COVID (especially since my stepmom tested negative for any sort of flu, and this was well before there were reports of COVID outside of China so of course the doctors wouldn't think to test for it even if they hap…

It seems very likely that many people (especially in areas with lots of travel to/from China) who had "a bad flu" followed by a chest infection in January or early February actually had COVID.

We are unlikely to ever find out, because we won't have a reason to give everyone antibody tests

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Post by kyleee »

lazugod wrote: post #379
anigbrowl wrote: post #307

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Misspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.

Are you saying it is more accurate to call it a lie?

That sounds like the subtext

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Post by adventured »

KarlKemp wrote: post #204
refurb wrote: post #162

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but it won't limit the amount of infected people in the USA on its own I never said it would. By stopping flights, you're removing one potential source of new infections.

You're also eliminating one potential source of infected people leaving the country before symptoms show. Assuming prevalence is equal in the US and Europe, you gain exactly nothing. (Op already said as much. Your answer reminds me of my Grandmother: "I know God doesn't exist, but it can't hurt to go to church.")

> Assuming prevalence is equal in the US and Europe, you gain exactly nothing.

That assumption is wrong, the prevalence will not be equal. One will be better off, one will be worse off. There is no scenario where the prevalence is going to be identical across such massive populations with such dramatically different cultures, population densities and healthcare systems. The US and various European nations will not act the same, they will not quarantine the same, death rates will vary, and so on. In fact, it'll vary considerably just within Europe, as we're already seeing.

It's better to separate accordingly, for both sides.

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Post by vanniv »

anaphor wrote: post #135
rubicon33 wrote: post #99

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Because the virus can spread on surfaces I think. As well as food, and organic matter.

China Post has been shipping stuff and spraying it with disinfectant. I don't see why that would be a problem. Also doesn't it take more than 9 days to sail across the atlantic ocean?

You can sail across the Atlantic in 4-5 days on an ocean liner

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Post by Jommi »

guerrilla wrote: post #376
pedrosorio wrote: post #331

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> and never been to a city in the US? Have you? Most of the US urban population in the US fits the points of the OP: - Very few people use public transportation regularly (they use cars, in the cities, yes) - Most people have private back yards (the infamous "American suburbs", where 50% of Americans live, count towards the urban population you mention) - Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru - More Americans us…

In some places this is relevant, in other places such as Scandinavia and Germany, other than public transportation it is not.

Are you saying people have big backyards, eat loads of tskeour and order stuff online, in Scandinavia? Have you ever lived in Scandinavia?

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Post by Proziam »

anigbrowl wrote: post #307
BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

Misspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.

[EDIT] Since the downvotes have started pouring in, I have to ask. Do you really attribute to this error to malice rather than stupidity? Given that the administration immediately (within minutes? edit: [0]yes, within minutes) made a correction I find it difficult to believe it was deliberate misinformation.

I mean, miscommunication happens. Trump didn't invent the plan, he was advised by others and gave the go-ahead. Then, his advisors drafted all of the details of the plan (probably in very short order). And of course, he didn't write the speech, someone prepared it for him. Afterward, the speech changed hands numerous times until some staff member loaded it into the prompter.

Someone definitely messed up, but it's hard for me to see how anyone could blame the speaker for this one. Assuming there's no partisanship, of course.

[0]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/11/trum...

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