Official proclamation here https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation...
U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
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#312I am beginning to strongly suspect that supply chain disruption caused by government decisions is going to cause way more damage to the world than this virus ever could have on its own. I think more people making these decisions could benefit from a good deep reading of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations".
Don't underestimate how costly it is to society to have a bunch of people die. Not taking this seriously will kill a lot more people than taking it seriously.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…
fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.
All Seattle public schools closed. Northshore is already, Bellevue shortly, LW had better.
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-...
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said he’s banning gatherings of more than 250 people in several counties.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/washington-state-bans-large-...
Many local businesses have soft-closed their offices at behest of city including Amazon and Microsoft.
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. Based on the localized infection cases I see across the US and have been watching as well as the characteristics of the virus (life outside host/on surfaces, in air, the degree of asymptomatic transference, etc.), it's well beyond containment IMHO. Travel isn't going to do too much to reduce infection rates alone. We need significant cultural changes to reduce infection rat…
It's not just about containment, which signs point to being past us. If we slow the infection and spread it out over time, we do a couple things. Slowing it gives us time to develop tests and treatment and processes and systems to deal with it. Spreading it out over time means that at any given moment fewer people need medical care. Like, if everyone needs care tomorrow, obviously the system can't handle it, but if a…
Travel bans alone will not flatten out peak infections that are going to overload our existing healthcare infrastructure that already run at near maximum capacity during regular, non-epidemic periods.
There is a lot more leadership across government (federal, state, local), private industry, and independent individuals could be doing to proactively reduce transference and even stomp out significant portions of infection is followed through. My point is that our cultural trends surrounding all of these (governments, work, personal action) are almost all running counter to what we need to be doing.
We need strong government leadership at all levels pushing support out where possible, be it resources, accurate non-politically influenced/dictated information, etc. Businesses can be more proactively supporting work from home more where feasible, extend sick leave or create sick leave options to reduce pressures to work, provide some security/continued employment for those who need it (especially demographics at high risk). People can avoid attending work when sick, reduce/limit public exposure (be it out shopping, attending an event, etc.), practice frequent hand washing, limit exposing themselves to at risk populations, etc.
Economically it's a disaster (as the markets are also anticipating) but it's going to be one way or another. It seems to me that you're better off to take a well calculated hit that can bounce back to a healthy workforce that doesn't strain existing healthcare infrastructure than trying to pretend nothing is going on, minimal fallout will occur, and play-it-by ear.
Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
#315Why is none of this mentioned on travel.state.gov ?
Is none of this official yet?
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is external travel a significant input of new vectors compared to internal travel?
It certainly helps, it’s easier to control, and has a smaller impact on most people’s lives so more easily accepted. It’s not the most effective but other factors have to be considered, including social unrest. It seems a sensible decision IMO
That doesn't answer the "significant" part, I think. It's an easy decision for the reasons you mention, but that doesn't mean it has a significant impact.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean there was literally a guy on the post from yesterday talking about how we're all paranoid and he's going to enjoy "exploring Boston and eating out while the lines are short".
Yeah some people are going to take advantage of cheap flights and small crowds. The thinner crowds is the point though. it still achieves the objective of lowering the R value.
I bought an annual unlimited longhaul flight pass on AirAsia for ~$150 USD, still have to pay taxes and airport charges. One return flight home and it pays for itself. Will see how that turns out, but is very much bargain hunting time for the brave.
Also traffic is great now. One good thing to come out of this is that governments might see the huge infrastructure benefits from just a small increase in remote workers.
https://newsroom.airasia.com/news/2020/2/29/eng-aaunlimitedp...
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.
IMO the only reason we aren't reporting large numbers of new cases is because of the lack of widespread testing currently being done compared to other countries at this moment (other countries are performing magnitudes higher tests a day). Even if you think you have it, there's still not enough test kits available yet - even if you're swabbed it can be days for a result(Saying this from west michigan).
> Even if you think you have it, there's still not enough test kits available yet
The messaging on this has been pathetic. The other day UW in Seattle announced they had a capacity to test 1,000/day. Not adequate for the nation, but for the PNW, sure.
Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days
#319I am beginning to strongly suspect that supply chain disruption caused by government decisions is going to cause way more damage to the world than this virus ever could have on its own. I think more people making these decisions could benefit from a good deep reading of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations".
I'm certain most government knows the economic consequences will be pretty severe. However, given the panic this has already created in public, and much higher mortality rate than seasonal flu, they cannot simply ride it out. I'm sure they have weighed their options, and have opted to take more certain shorter term hit vs gamble with uncertain longer term hit.
immunesystem can also kill. in fact, one of the ways covid19 kills is through cytokine storm, a immune overreaction.
I don't understand why people seem so sure this is not a case of social immune overreaction.