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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by divbzero »

kortex wrote: post #156
Frost1x wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. Based on the localized infection cases I see across the US and have been watching as well as the characteristics of the virus (life outside host/on surfaces, in air, the degree of asymptomatic transference, etc.), it's well beyond containment IMHO. Travel isn't going to do too much to reduce infection rates alone. We need significant cultural changes to reduce infection rat…

There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.

Does this mean we need a more robust domestic response to contain coronavirus, instead of or in addition to restricting travel to the US?

Akin to how securing a network is more than setting up a firewall at the perimeter.

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Post by KarlKemp »

andbberger wrote: post #96
Causality1 wrote: post #86

Is there a point to this? The virus is already everywhere.

Yes. The point is to flatten the curve. https://www.flattenthecurve.com/

That has nothing to do with the question.

Travel to and from doesn't lower the number of infections in the US, assuming prevalence is about equal on the two continents.

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Post by brrrrr1 »

that’s right - don't ban the uk where many people have traveled from italy and the rest of the world unhindered. because the virus cares about politics and trump’s shenanigans. folks in the us - i really hope everyone poor and rich gets treatment when necessary, for free.

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Post by chasd00 »

penagwin wrote: post #194
kortex wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were just 2 cases detected at the gym down the street from me. I'm in a medium town of about 40k in upstate NY. Not podunk, but hardly bustling. I'm considering the USA fully seeded at this point.

IMO the only reason we aren't reporting large numbers of new cases is because of the lack of widespread testing currently being done compared to other countries at this moment (other countries are performing magnitudes higher tests a day). Even if you think you have it, there's still not enough test kits available yet - even if you're swabbed it can be days for a result(Saying this from west michigan).

yes, the case count is about to sky rocket because wide spread testing is coming online but hopefully the fatality count doesn't. I think the authorities need to do a better job communicating that a steep rise in cases detected doesn't mean a steep rise in severe or lethal cases.

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Post by corel_ »

slg wrote: post #125
corel_ wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where this level of panic is coming from. Numbers are about to spike everywhere pretty much no matter what anybody does, because better testing and funding has become available. Quarantining an entire continent, and even worse than this badly doing it, seems to be an astonishing overreaction. The average age of death for coronavirus victims is 83. The mortality rate seems to be as low as 0.6% in South Ko…

Estimates have said that they expect 20%-60% of people to get it (originally [1] but updated according to [2]. Something like 10-15% of those people require hospitalization [2] and something like 0.5% - 4% of people die [4]. If we use the lower bounds on all those we are talking about 6.5 million Americans hospitalized and 327,000 dead. For the sake of comparison, that is almost half the number of Americans who have…

There's no "they". That's one guy, making a paid appearance to the media.

We don't know enough about the virus to predict almost anything about it and are learning more every day.

I feel like people have already made up their mind about this by reading some extremely poor sources rather than bodies like the WHO so are going to panic no matter what people say.

The best option here would be for me to come back in a month and we'll reexamine the comment. 625,000 is literally insane.

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Post by lowdose »

anigbrowl wrote: post #118
Causality1 wrote: post #86

Is there a point to this? The virus is already everywhere.

Depends on how imaginative/paranoid you are. It sure seems odd that this week has included an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, a pandemic declaration, and now the biggest disruption of international travel/commerce since WW2. https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/1237048071223160833

If I would have my tin foiled hat on I would say something else is going.

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Post by Alex3917 »

unlinked_dll wrote: post #30

Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…

> Can anyone comment on supply chains that rely on Europe to source goods?

You know all of the stuff that's made in China? The machines that make that stuff are made in Europe. Well, not literally the ones that make the stuff in China, but the ones that US companies would buy if they were trying to manufacture more stuff domestically to replace the stuff they can no longer buy from China.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

unlinked_dll wrote: post #30

Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…

There was an AMA on Reddit, yesterday I think, with a guy whose employer is manufacturing the tests. He said one of the challenges was some of the materials had to come from Belgium and it was taking much longer to get the supplies in the needed quantities. I'd assume such materials would be exempt if his statement is correct.

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Post by gravelc »

Too little, too late.

Most of Australia's external cases seem to be coming from the US (e.g. Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson), which indicates tens of thousands of undiagnosed incidences there (even accounting for selection bias).

Urgent social distancing seems to be the best approach to maintaining a functional health system now.

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Post by taiwanboy »

JDiculous wrote: post #188
taiwanboy wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US is closer in blood to Europe and it shut down travel form Europe. Asia would be an easy/quick call for this administration.

Why haven't they done it in Asia yet then since Coronavirus originated from and is more severe there?

Excluding China (which they wisely banned early) and South Korea (one city daegu is the center and majority of infection) there is only japan with 639 cases. Europe has close to 20,000 cases.

But if an Asian country’s cases quickly spikes, pretty sure Asia will be shut down in travel to US

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