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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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More like closing the gate so the coyotes don't keep attacking your cows.

Except there are already dozens of coyotes inside the fence.

Exactly. Easier to hunt and kill the interlopers if you can prevent more from coming in.

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This awfully sounds like politically motivated than medically motivated. Edit: Apparently it’s limited to Schengen Zone: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting...

How so? This will undoubtedly push the world into recession, how does that help Trump?

Perhaps certain people want to buy stocks cheaply ...

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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I feel like there are some particular cultural attributes in the United States that make this useless at this point. The United States has a very individualistic attitude. Sure, we can pause travel from Europe, but the current administration is very anti-europe. Can we pause travel in the US? I strongly doubt that we can effectively given the strong anti-expertise attitudes as well. My guess is that the United States…

There are lots of individualists that will flout advice, but there's also lots of people that will isolate themselves in quite a paranoid fashion.

I think there's more of the latter.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Wouldn't that make UK the next hotspot? People will travel to and from UK to get to USA. Unless UK restricts travel from the rest of Europe.

Not that this ban makes a lot of sense, but not including the UK makes even less sense, considering they've already reported 400 cases (compared to the ~1,200 in the U.S.) edit: to be fair, maybe the administration would've preferred to just ban travel from Italy. But I'm guessing it's not possible to restrict travel from just one member of the EU.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Trump owning golf courses in the UK.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Seems like this is too little too late, cats already out of the bag in the US.

It's all about flattening the curve at this point. You can do your best to identify those infected and have them self-quarantine, but if the gates are open and infected people are streaming into your country, you're not going to get far.

But doesn't that require the notion that infection rates are higher in the excluded place? Given the US's incredible failure to test widely, I am not seeing why flights from Sweden or Ireland are any more dangerous than flights from Seattle at this point.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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It's all about flattening the curve at this point. You can do your best to identify those infected and have them self-quarantine, but if the gates are open and infected people are streaming into your country, you're not going to get far.

Ugh, USA is at the moment likely on level with Europe. The idea that this will prevent "infected people streaming into USA" is uninformed. This step limits transfer both ways, between two regions that both have similar level of infection spread. It may help both sides contain the virus, but it won't limit the amount of infected people in the USA on its own. Please, be careful about the language you use, the way you w…

Also, it ignores the deliberately inaccurate case numbers in the US :-/

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Watched the broadcast live, yes it includes cargo shipments. Something tells me the markets are going to react badly to that one

Including cargo doesn't make much sense to me. Did they include a justification for this? In contrast, the CDC's take is that "in general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures." -- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html

Broadcast didn't give any rationale, maybe they're concerned about the ship crews being carriers?

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Regardless of the ability of people to travel to the UK or Canada and get here (which people have done for a long time with other nations we don't take kindly to) it's absolutely going to reduce the number of people who will travel across the pond. Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. My concern is how economies are going to respond to the US being cut off from Continental ports for a month, which as far as I c…

The situation in Europe will be much worse a month from now than it is today, unfortunately. I'd bet on this ban lasting closer to 90 days than 30.

I'm not sure where this level of panic is coming from.

Numbers are about to spike everywhere pretty much no matter what anybody does, because better testing and funding has become available.

Quarantining an entire continent, and even worse than this badly doing it, seems to be an astonishing overreaction. The average age of death for coronavirus victims is 83. The mortality rate seems to be as low as 0.6% in South Korea or as high as 5% in Italy. Italy is especially vulnerable because it has the oldest population in Europe which is one of the factors that is leading to the 5% figure from there. It is not an End of Days zombie apocalypse.

I recently watched a speech by a US mayor which essentially said that the panic over Corona is going to do much more damage to people than the actual virus and I tend to agree. Simple quarantining measures mixed with best practices for infection control until we have more information about the virus seems perfectly fine. Blowing up the global economy is complete overkill and is a typical move from an administration whose response to topics are either to ignore them or sledgehammer them.

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