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Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by jshevek »

ajross wrote: post #146
jshevek wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then who are you talking about? This question is so strange I don't know where to begin. Should I look up the percentage of the population that are scientists? Should I pull up an Amazon list of books popular in the 70s and 80s dealing with climate change? Should I start listing various forms of dysfunction in the 4th estate? Should we talk about the culture of activists? Disseminating scientific knowledge correctl…

OK, start with those. I mean, your point upthread is that you didn't personally believe all the good science of the last 30 years because of some "extremists", which now apparently includes the entirety of the media and political left. I think that's a pretty ridiculous argument, and am challenging you to give me some specifics to focus the discussion. You don't get to wave this away. Let's see who you're talking abo…

Please try not to misrepresent other people's claims nor presume their experiences.

>I mean, your point upthread is that you didn't personally believe all the good science of the last 30 years because of some "extremists"

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by [deleted] »

jshevek wrote: post #151
ajross wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, start with those. I mean, your point upthread is that you didn't personally believe all the good science of the last 30 years because of some "extremists", which now apparently includes the entirety of the media and political left. I think that's a pretty ridiculous argument, and am challenging you to give me some specifics to focus the discussion. You don't get to wave this away. Let's see who you're talking abo…

Please try not to misrepresent other people's claims nor presume their experiences. > I mean, your point upthread is that you didn't personally believe all the good science of the last 30 years because of some "extremists"

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Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by LordHumungous »

jeffadotio wrote: post #86
LordHumungous wrote: post #60

Old people still need a functioning society and economy right? So therefore maybe it makes sense for the less vulnerable people to keep doing things.

This is the exact attitude described as being destructive in the article. It is also plainly illogical. It is so obviously illogical that it is boring. By doing normal things one spreads the virus, killing people and grinding businesses to a halt. This argument boils down to stopping deaths by increasing infection rates.

If the economy collapses our ability to contain the virus will be severely diminished.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by greenhatman »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #129
celdon25 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe the best way to become a home owner in SF in the near future is to run around infecting everyone there ASAP. Maybe this outbreak is the first of more to come and that this is actually a wake-up call that we shouldn't be glorifying or desiring residence in such densely populated areas like we have been.

People comparing it to the flu do have one thing right. This will likely be a new ever-present thing in our lives with rapid mutation and seasonal outbreaks. USUALLY these things get less deadly over time due to evolutionary pressures. It will be interesting to see if this has lasting impacts on our social norms and, like you mentioned, desire for high density living.

It frustrates me so much that almost no one gets this.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by Balgair »

34679 wrote: post #85

If Merkel's assertion that 60%-70% of the population in Germany will be infected is accurate, and we end up with similar numbers in the US, the math is pretty stunning.[1] With a US population of 330,000,000, we end up with 198,000,000 infected, using the lower estimate of 60%.[2] A study in China concluded a 2.4% mortality rate and the WHO reported 3.4% among reported cases.[3][4] Using a (hopefully not) conservativ…

That's ~670 9/11 attacks' worth of dead.

~350x the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.

~10x the Civil War.

~3x the yearly heart disease deaths.

~1 death every 0.75 seconds

And this'll occur before June, and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!).

If this thing is anywhere near 1% mortality, the US really is in for a tough time.

Yeah, you're right, that is stunning

I really need to call my folks now.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by Mandatum »

34679 wrote: post #85

If Merkel's assertion that 60%-70% of the population in Germany will be infected is accurate, and we end up with similar numbers in the US, the math is pretty stunning.[1] With a US population of 330,000,000, we end up with 198,000,000 infected, using the lower estimate of 60%.[2] A study in China concluded a 2.4% mortality rate and the WHO reported 3.4% among reported cases.[3][4] Using a (hopefully not) conservativ…

And so begins the War on Corona.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by kilotaras »

Balgair wrote: post #155
34679 wrote: post #85

If Merkel's assertion that 60%-70% of the population in Germany will be infected is accurate, and we end up with similar numbers in the US, the math is pretty stunning.[1] With a US population of 330,000,000, we end up with 198,000,000 infected, using the lower estimate of 60%.[2] A study in China concluded a 2.4% mortality rate and the WHO reported 3.4% among reported cases.[3][4] Using a (hopefully not) conservativ…

That's ~670 9/11 attacks' worth of dead. ~350x the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. ~10x the Civil War. ~3x the yearly heart disease deaths. ~1 death every 0.75 seconds And this'll occur before June, and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). If this thing is anywhere near 1% mortality, the US really is in for a tough time. Yeah, you're right, that is stunning I really need to call my…

> and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!).

No. Once you are one of those 60% you either die or get immunity.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by tsbinz »

kilotaras wrote: post #157
Balgair wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's ~670 9/11 attacks' worth of dead. ~350x the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. ~10x the Civil War. ~3x the yearly heart disease deaths. ~1 death every 0.75 seconds And this'll occur before June, and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). If this thing is anywhere near 1% mortality, the US really is in for a tough time. Yeah, you're right, that is stunning I really need to call my…

> and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). No. Once you are one of those 60% you either die or get immunity.

It depends. The seasonal flu mutates enough between seasons that last year's immunity doesn't help you much. If we're lucky, this one doesn't do that, or it mutates in a way that symptoms aren't as severe (since causing the host to die or to be isolated in ICU is also bad for the virus, so there's evolutionary pressure towards less severe symptoms).

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by Grue3 »

aazaa wrote: post #9

It's easy to understand how Europeans look at Americans is if they're brain-dead. However, the article does nothing to support the thesis that young people in particular are killing other people. It may be true. If so, including evidence to that effect would make a better article.

>It's easy to understand how Europeans look at Americans is if they're brain-dead.

It's absolutely not, considering how fast the virus is spreading in Europe, and mostly through old populations too. Symptomatic people spread virus faster, that much is obvious.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by Grue3 »

keeganjw wrote: post #15

They make a good point in this article, I just wish Newsweek and other media outlets would get this pissed off about climate change. "Old and unafraid of the climate crisis? Good for you. Now stop killing future generations." If we're mobilizing to stop a pandemic, why the hell aren't we mobilizing to stop climate change? I know this is going to get downvoted into oblivion, I just wanted to say it.

Ironically making people more aware of climate change causes people to vote for candidates who are objectively terrible for climate change (see: anti-nuclear Green party in Germany, Bernie Sanders etc.)
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