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Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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> One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed to visit relatives or families in other cities/villages, even if a few kilometers away. How does this affect people who depend on personal care from relatives and friends to do daily activities like cooking, cleaning themselves and going to the toilet?

This is one of the very few reason for which you can move and assist relatives out of your town.

That's great to hear, thanks.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

The risk is that this lockdown isn't sufficient to modify the progression of the epidemic. Then it will probably have to be modified. Presumably, most transmission is happening in social settings and closed environments. These measures should mitigate that. The change in social behavior would suggest it's working. We'll find out in five days or so if this is working.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

>>this lockdown is not so bad,

I am glad it isn't--for you. Other people's mileage might vary

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

>Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people.

That seems ... like it would be really hard to do consistently adhere to and enforce, especially when it goes against social conventions and the places fill up to capacity.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

Modern media is really doing more harm than good.

Elevating threat perception for everything has become a daily occurance. One day it's North Korea nukes. Another day it's Russians. Another it's Iran. Another day it's climate, #metoo, immigrants, shooters etc etc.

I grew up at a time where the threats were even worse but we weren't surrounded by unqualified people falling over each other inducing anxiety in everyone as a full time job.

I think journos need to be kicked off social media or put in timeout zones after a particular message has saturated the network (can be easily be auto triggered). They are trapped by the dynamics of getting likes/views/clicks. Most of them I feel are loosing their minds and are on auto pilot. By themselves they can't exist that trap.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk is that this lockdown isn't sufficient to modify the progression of the epidemic. Then it will probably have to be modified. Presumably, most transmission is happening in social settings and closed environments. These measures should mitigate that. The change in social behavior would suggest it's working. We'll find out in five days or so if this is working.

It's worked elsewhere so there is good reason to hope that it will work in Italy as well. It sucks that we have to wait five days to find out though. What I wouldn't give for a crystal ball right now.

A lockdown has worked in only one place: China. And it worked because the measures were extreme: not allowing people to leave their homes (except once a week to go shopping), banning cars on the roads, closing workplaces, etc.

No country is implementing measures nearly as extreme as China, so they won't be as successful in slowing down the epidemic.

Before someone mentions South Korea: Korean CDC explained their epidemic curve is bending because they are finishing testing the 200,000 sect members at the center of the epidemic. So fewer tests = fewer detected infections: "in Daegu and Gyeongbuk region, the transmission seems a bit slow down as testing Shincheonji members is almost finished" Source: https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=a30402000000&bid=00... In other words this is NOT a sign Korea is succeeding at containing it. I have seen zero epidemiologists correctly report on this. They all fail to read what KCDC is saying.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Another Italian here. The situation is far from dramatic. Yes, being forced at home unless necessary is an inconvenience, but damn worth the risk of catching the virus or worse infecting others. We can work from home, and this for many of us is a first and indeed something we can leverage when things go back to normal. We can still go to the doctor, or grocery shopping, bars and restaurants are still open.

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. The real problem is in the hospitals, and for some enterprises who will really have a loss in these weeks (everything about tourism, for example). One of the biggest downsides is that people are not allowed…

>Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. That seems ... like it would be really hard to do consistently adhere to and enforce, especially when it goes against social conventions and the places fill up to capacity.

You'd be surprised: https://i.redd.it/n95poyxjful41.jpg

(The comments from Finns on r/europe are hilarious)

Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Italian here, north-west. Media are really exaggerating with the situation with daily life and routine, we are allowed to take a walk and go to bars or restaurants if there is one meter of distance between people. That seems ... like it would be really hard to do consistently adhere to and enforce, especially when it goes against social conventions and the places fill up to capacity.

You'd be surprised: https://i.redd.it/n95poyxjful41.jpg (The comments from Finns on r/europe are hilarious)

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Re: Italy's Coronavirus Lockdown Upends the Most Basic Routines and Joys

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A lockdown is obviously not an enjoyable thing, but it is necessary to flatten the curve [^1] and it's downsides are less severe then it's benefits if done correctly. Keep this in mind as the situation continues to evolve. Stock things in your house which bring you joy (good food, games, good books) and do your best to spread confidence to others around you. If you have enough space to get in some exercise, even if i…

edit: fair I'll retract this
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