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A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by mumblemumble »

kilburn wrote: post #90
mumblemumble wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I'd like to see doctors do differently is encourage people to treat their illness as if it were covid-19 regardless of the test result. If my health care provider can try to sell me antibiotics despite a negative strep test, "just to be sure, because sometimes you get a false negative", then they're surely not ignorant of the phenomenon where tests are less than 100% accurate. (Perhaps they're just variably awar…

What do you think "treating their illness as if it were covid-19" means? This is a viral illness. There is simply no treatment. You go home, rest and eventually get through it in most cases. If you have annoying symptoms, you try to alleviate those in the usual ways (as if it was any other cold/flu). If you get life-threatening symptomps, you call for help and they'll take you to the hospital (at least while they are…

Sorry, ambiguous language. "treat" in the general sense, not specifically in the sense of medical treatment.

Specifically, I would like the doctor to say, "Stay the eff home and keep your germs to yourself, sickie."

More doctors doing this would also help put pressure on employers to change their policies. Maybe (dare I dream?) we can even get restaurants to start giving their employees sick leave, and encouraging them to use it, instead of requiring them to show up and germ up all the food on pain of losing their jobs.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by kryogen1c »

jplayer01 wrote: post #75
kryogen1c wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tests are not free, not 100% accurate, and not 100% available. The doctor you called stupid is in control of exactly 0 of those factors, and has no effect on europes policy.

And Europe's policy needs to change. Nobody is saying dealing with this epidemic is going to be free. Yet the doctor is one of many who are dismissing the likelihood of somebody having coronavirus just because they haven't been to Italy. So yes, stupid.

> dismissing the likelihood of somebody having coronavirus just because they haven't been to Italy. So yes, stupid.

The amount of infected people calling in who havent traveled is _infinitecimal_. The doctor saying you're not infected is correct an OVERWHELMING amount of the time, probably >99% accuracy. Eventually, this wont be true, but then the doctor wont be telling everyone to go away because theyre not stupid.

Now, if you want to argue the merits of extreme overcaution and attempting things like 100% testing for a global pandemic mitigation plan, good for you. You have a lot of hurdles to overcome, some of which you named yourself, but none of them are the doctors fault. You are simply wrong.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by falcolas »

livealife wrote: post #5
Gravityloss wrote: post #2

Good idea. A bit unfortunate naming.

They wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...

The word "fuck" has no real value to it. For those who don't care about the use of "fuck", it comes across with as much impact as an extra exclamation point. However, for those who do care, it immediately makes them hostile to the author's intent.

If you want to get your message across to as many people as possible (and why wouldn't you with COVID-19 and the "stay home" message), swearing can only hurt your message.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by sebazzz »

Corona doesn't stop. Many of us will get infected and many of us [in a relative sense] will be fine after fighting the virus. The thing we need to focus on is making sure the contagion happens at a speed so it doesn't overload our hospitals. German counselor Merkel said that probably 70% will get infected, so we should focus on having too many people infected at the same time.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by jacknews »

What is the point of this?

The tone will not accomplish anything

the content is already known, albeit most of the points are good advice

no new ideas are proposed

stats (morbidity, % critical, etc) are still not stable or very helpful at this stage

second-order (let alone deeper) consequences are not discussed at all.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by happytoexplain »

falcolas wrote: post #93
livealife wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...

The word "fuck" has no real value to it. For those who don't care about the use of "fuck", it comes across with as much impact as an extra exclamation point. However, for those who do care, it immediately makes them hostile to the author's intent. If you want to get your message across to as many people as possible (and why wouldn't you with COVID-19 and the "stay home" message), swearing can only hurt your message.

Every word in common usage has value to it, because every word in common usage has slightly different meanings, feelings, and implications.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by scruple »

miles wrote: post #36
pqs wrote: post #12

The page lacks something about how to deal with kids. That's a huge point for those of us that have toddlers and kids at home.

Relatedly: Coronavirus is mysteriously sparing kids and killing the elderly. Understanding why may help defeat the virus. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/10/coronavirus... Kids do get the coronavirus — they just don't get as sick https://www.livescience.com/can-kids-get-coronavirus.html

I heard it described as similar to infectious Hepatitis A. Kids get it, carry it, transmit it, but they are asymptomatic. I haven't heard an age range, however. The thing that bothers me is that these facts are being presented in the mainstream, where it could go a very long way towards helping calm people (at least parents of young children). Or, maybe they have and I have just missed it.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by crimsonalucard »

icebraining wrote: post #79
crimsonalucard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buddy if you're dying, go to the doctor, but make sure to call first.

No. Call them and they'll tell you what to do.

Isn't that what I just said? If you're dying call them, and what they will tell you is to come in. That's what the medical system does when you're dying.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by huseyinkeles »

ldeangelis wrote: post #20
Someone1234 wrote: post #6

Seems like focusing on blaming individuals rather than: - Employers don't allow telecommuting. - Employers with draconian sick leave policies. - No paid sick leave for the majority of jobs (and or strict limits). - Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 (Vs. a common cold). Which is significant with e.g. Walmarts new policies which ONLY allow Covid-19 paid sick leave. Ultimately we set up a system whe…

> Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 This is a huge one, at least in France. A friend recently tried to get tested because he was coughing heavily and had a fever. His doctor asked if he went to Italy or China recently, he said no, his doctor replied "Well then you don't have it." and that was the end of it.

Same in the Netherlands. When one of my colleagues asked to get a test her GP asked if she’s been to one of those countries, when she said no, she didn’t get any tests :(
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