Time for the health department to put some big red notices up on the office and the ships.
The CDC already called out cruises specifically https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/covid-19-cruise-ship
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#42Good thing we’re not inducing this emotional behavior at scale. Surely it would be insanity to drum into people’s heads “profits before species!” I’m sure this is an isolated incident.
Ummmmm I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly you are probably correct. The Nordics are the perfect cousins the rest of us Europeans keep being unfavourably compared to. We have to keep digging!
If you’re really looking: Norway makes a significant chunk of money from oil exports, contributing to (and profiting from) what is arguably the greatest threat facing our civilisation today. Finland, on the other hand.. much respect :)
On the other hand, 98% of their domestic electricity is renewable (95% hydroelectric). If other nations followed Norway's lead by nationalizing their respective oil sectors, it could be an important step towards curbing consumption.
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#45> "Scientists and medical professionals have confirmed that the warm weather of the spring will be the end of the Coronavirus," a second says
That wasn't a "scientist", that was the President of the US of A.
His lies are going to get people killed.
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#46That's borderline criminal. To blatantly lie about the risks - especially elderly passengers - people are taking should be actionable in some way. These emails will come back to haunt them if family of future casualties sues them. I sincerely hope they go out of business.
Borderline? How isn’t it criminal?
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#47That's borderline criminal. To blatantly lie about the risks - especially elderly passengers - people are taking should be actionable in some way. These emails will come back to haunt them if family of future casualties sues them. I sincerely hope they go out of business.
Then again, who is stupid enough take medical advice from a vacation salesman? These customers have agency and are ultimately the decision makers. What this company is doing is unethical, but we all need to be responsible for the decisions we make. If I decide to go on a cruise right now, knowing what has been going on, it’s not the company’s fault if I get sick.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you’re really looking: Norway makes a significant chunk of money from oil exports, contributing to (and profiting from) what is arguably the greatest threat facing our civilisation today. Finland, on the other hand.. much respect :)
On the other hand, 98% of their domestic electricity is renewable (95% hydroelectric). If other nations followed Norway's lead by nationalizing their respective oil sectors, it could be an important step towards curbing consumption.
Well, then if 98% is already renewable, why keep pumping oil out of the ground and contributing to global warming? (Hint: money)
I don't really think there's a way around this for Norwegians. If you're upset about climate change (and you should be) then you should also be honest that continuing to extract and sell oil is contributing to the problem.
It's nice that Norway has a small, homogenous population in a country with low population density, great education, and opportunities for easy (relatively speaking) renewable energy. Many countries don't have those luxuries.
With that being said, I applaud Norway in general as a country. I think they do a lot of great stuff. But I think it's fair to point out what I perceive as a shortcoming that they currently have in the context of this discussion.
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#49This recent coronavirus outbreak has been very enlightening, cause it gaves us more information on why cruises are a bad idea, and perfect for an epidemic. The same air is recirculating among all cabins. However, it does not explain why we haven't heard of flu outbreaks in cruises before this coronavirus. It seems cruises are perfect for the proliferation of any airborne virus.
I'm interested in what the known spreading instances on ships and at conferences tell us about how the virus is transmitted. As I understand it, the message from CDC etc is, roughly: It's transmitted through droplets coughed or sneezed from one person that then end up through common touching of not-cleaned surfaces and thence into the body through face-touching. My gut feel is that if that's how transmission occurs,…
There are plenty of commonly-touched surfaces when people spend a long time in the same space: door handles, elevator buttons, countertops, buffet utensils, gym equipment, money...
I don't think the hand-washing is epidemiology theater, in part based on this thread: https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/12365493051895971...
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#50This is of course all horrible, but I seriously wonder who at this point thinks: "Let's book a trip on a cruise ship right now!"