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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by hef19898 »

dang wrote: post #889
hef19898 wrote: post #865

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Mass-extinction? That escalated quickly. Maybe uninstall Plague Inc. for a while? And no, that is exactly not how risk assessment is supposed to work.

Your comments are breaking the site guidelines by being snarky and posting in the flamewar style. Please don't do that. It's not what this site is for, and it evokes worse from others. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

True, sorry for that and thnks for calling me out it. Is usually not my argumentation style.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by tomohawk »

bluGill wrote: post #844
tomohawk wrote: post #551

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We have the lowest testing rate because the CDC made some big mistakes early on. 1) the CDC told all the other labs to stand down and wait for the CDC test kit 2) the CDC refused permission to test except under very narrow conditions 3) the CDC test kit was defective due to being over engineered, and delayed availability during a very critical period Now that we're behind the exponential growth curve, any measures th…

Which of those would you have cited if you didn't have the benefit of hindsight?

KISS (keep it simple, stupid)

Why did CDC depart from this and make a 3 part test (1 part of which had nothing to do with this virus) when there was already tests available they could just copy?

During an emergency, you don't screw around and try to come up with the perfect test. You don't exercise turf rights over other concerns.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by zzzzzzzza »

hef19898 wrote: post #822
coldtea wrote: post #793

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> That's not how epidemics work. That's not how epidemics work when they are contained quickly. Europe has done a bad job at this. Epidemics in the past have killed many times as many as the percentages above.

Different diseases, different outcomes. First, using the total population as a basis is just wrong. Some will certainly be immune to a certain degree while others are simply lucky. Even very aggressive pandemics, hitting totally ill-prepared societies didn't infect every single person. Not even the black death managed to do so. So why do you think COVID-19 would end up doing that? And using the 3.4% is another issue.…

right now in italy it's more like 8% fatality rate

south korea is an outlier and most of their cases are not resolved, they may have a lot of false positives

time to act was weeks ago.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by jonplackett »

tomnj wrote: post #881
jonplackett wrote: post #874

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By making that point though, you deliberately making an argument to support the 'it's just like flu' theory of not worrying. Which is a flawed viewpoint.

I’m 100% not making that point, nor do I believe it

Ok. In that case let’s stop arguing and be friends :)

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by rorykoehler »

dang wrote: post #888
rglullis wrote: post #869

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> Guidelines on how infection risk can be minimised are very consistent. You are talking about different scales, here. One thing is "here is what the experts are saying to minimize the chance of contagion on the Ubahn", another is "the experts are saying that is okay to fly to China, so yeah, why should I not be on a plane to Shanghai for a plant inspection that could be postponed without any larger impact to my busi…

Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I understand why you blocked that comment however FWIW it's a fair criticism of the German national identity. I say this as a German national myself.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by dang »

rorykoehler wrote: post #895
dang wrote: post #888

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Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I understand why you blocked that comment however FWIW it's a fair criticism of the German national identity. I say this as a German national myself.

It's of course different when people are making statements about their own nation, or a place that they lived for a long time. But these distinctions are too subtle to matter on the internet. Others will react the same way they do to garden-variety flamebait, so the effects on the site are the same, so it's best to just not go there.

Also, while different, it's not necessarily benign—just more complicated.

Criticisms of national identity can't be topics of curious conversation on the public internet. A small, closed group could, but a large open group can't. 'Large' implies that someone is going to get activated, and 'open' implies that they can show up and comment—at which point game over.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by rglullis »

rorykoehler wrote: post #895
dang wrote: post #888

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Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I understand why you blocked that comment however FWIW it's a fair criticism of the German national identity. I say this as a German national myself.

Thank you for understanding the spirit of my comment. I will take this flag as a very good lesson in risk management: no matter how many times you are positive in the exchange, the one time that you strike out can be fatal.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by rorykoehler »

dang wrote: post #896
rorykoehler wrote: post #895

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I understand why you blocked that comment however FWIW it's a fair criticism of the German national identity. I say this as a German national myself.

It's of course different when people are making statements about their own nation, or a place that they lived for a long time. But these distinctions are too subtle to matter on the internet. Others will react the same way they do to garden-variety flamebait, so the effects on the site are the same, so it's best to just not go there. Also, while different, it's not necessarily benign—just more complicated. Criticisms…

That's fair. Well articulated.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by dang »

rglullis wrote: post #897
rorykoehler wrote: post #895

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I understand why you blocked that comment however FWIW it's a fair criticism of the German national identity. I say this as a German national myself.

Thank you for understanding the spirit of my comment. I will take this flag as a very good lesson in risk management: no matter how many times you are positive in the exchange, the one time that you strike out can be fatal.

Yes, and the effect is worse because there's a massive disconnect between how we perceive our own intent and how it comes across to readers on the internet--or at least to some segment of readers, but when the community is large enough, every segment is an entire audience.
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