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Because coding is a job, and open source coding is a job these days. And you are expected to behave in a somewhat professional manner.
ESR's email in any reasonable workplace would lead to a disciplinary hearing. It was a bad email that should not have been sent.
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> Explain in advance that that's what you're doing. Ensure that everyone is on board. This assumes that people choose their way into this state. What if "software as performative BSDM" is the state of nature, that people are in unless they decide otherwise? (A bold claim, I know, but I can think of some good examples, and I bet you can too.) > And if it rose to public prominence while remaining a men only club, that…
> What if "software as performative BSDM" is the state of nature, that people are in unless they decide otherwise? This is a stupid claim and you know it.
-BZZT-, CoC violation detected. ;)
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What parts of that email are so objectionable?
Below email is the quoted statement: ts originator is a toxic loonytoon who believes "show me the code" > meritocracy is at best outmoded and in general a sinister supremacist > plot by straight white cisgender males." I think open source has a serious problem in the sense that there are a lot of projects headed by single, rather abusive and obsessed individuals. And moreover, where a stream of obscenities in an emai…
The person behind ESD has a history of getting people 'removed' from projects.
To them, I say: physician, heal thyself. I'm really sorry that they've lived a life being bullied so much that they derive such pleasure from doing so to others.
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There's a good chance Google wouldn't exist without it.
Not necessarily. Remember, the dot com boom happened before Linux was even a serious contender as a server OS; back then Sun Microsystems was king. Google was founded in '98 and the expense of Sun hardware might have slowed Google's profitability slightly but not enough to matter. We might be talking about the Google-Sun duopoly today instead of the Wintel duopoly today had Linux not existed.
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Uh, I suppose the name calling, strawman-ing of arguments and insinuations of subterfuge. > toxic loonytoon > The actual goal of the movement behind the ESD > banishing contributors for wrongthink > The "Persona Non Grata" clause is best understood as an attempt to paralyze resistance to such political ratfucking Like I said I don't know the OSI culture (or this context) but nothing about this message strikes me as s…
> engaging in good faith is about taking what people say in collaborative environments as given in good faith. Or at the very least explaining rationally why you feel the other person is not acting in good faith.
These people are HUGE fans of triangulation, their supporters will tear you a new one on twitter if you don't toe the line.
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What parts of that email are so objectionable?
Uh, I suppose the name calling, strawman-ing of arguments and insinuations of subterfuge. > toxic loonytoon > The actual goal of the movement behind the ESD > banishing contributors for wrongthink > The "Persona Non Grata" clause is best understood as an attempt to paralyze resistance to such political ratfucking Like I said I don't know the OSI culture (or this context) but nothing about this message strikes me as s…
If the shoe fits [1]...
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> This one incident turned me off of not only that person but the entire cancel culture movement. Are you perchance saying that you "cancelled" the cancel culture movement based on a single interaction you didn't enjoy?
Intolerance of intolerance is not a valid charge of intolerance. Every freaking pathetic wannabe klan leader tries that one and thinks they outwitted everyone when they do. Great club you just joined there.
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Not necessarily. Remember, the dot com boom happened before Linux was even a serious contender as a server OS; back then Sun Microsystems was king. Google was founded in '98 and the expense of Sun hardware might have slowed Google's profitability slightly but not enough to matter. We might be talking about the Google-Sun duopoly today instead of the Wintel duopoly today had Linux not existed.
In 1998, Linux was reliable and performant. It just hadn't made inroads into big corporations to give it pointy-haired-boss cred.
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> I don't know what the right solution is. This is a bit of a wild theory, which I definitely can't prove, but I am tempted to blame part of it on "zero tolerance" schools. Schools are meant to teach the material, but they're also meant to give students practice at working within a social framework. Being on time, speaking in turn, keeping track of assignments, relating to peers, etc. People have a lot of opinions on…
Authoritarianism in schools is very old; it definitely didn't begin with what are now called "zero tolerance" policies. I'm pretty sure we would have noticed if attending an authoritarian school gave you an authoritarian personality style, especially given the interest in the latter in post-WW2 psych studies.
Wasn't it noticed though? Paddling students fell out of favor decades ago, in no small part I suspect because people began to realize that hitting kids wasn't teaching kids how to resolve conflicts effectively.
The status quo before 'zero tolerance' was itself a radical departure from what came before it.