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Re: Tips for the depressed

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Someone here recommended David Burns' "The Feeling Good Handbook" and it was a very, very good read. I'm not going to say it turned my life around, but it taught me how to spot and disarm all kinds of cognitive distortions, defeat laziness, better align my expectations of others, assess my self worth positively... It's also well written, fast paced, and sometimes even funny. It includes lots of exercises that are pra…

As far as I'm concerned, this (and its predecessor, "Feeling Good") is the best self help book ever written. It's helped me tremendously with moderate depression and anxiety. For anyone suffering, I'd highly recommend just giving the book and its exercises a try.

thework.com is along the same lines and also very good.

Re: Tips for the depressed

#52

Things that help me when I feel depressed: - Listening to upbeat, energetic music and avoiding depressing music, which tends to make me feel worse - Walking outside on a clear, sunny day - Eating my favorite food - Playing a good game to get my mind off whatever it is that I'm obsessing about - If I am able to concentrate, reading something by a favorite author, listening to a good podcast, or watching a non-depressi…

What did Nietzsche mean by that?

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I largely agree with all the advice here. I dropped out of college due to depression, then I torched my tech career with a manic episode that led me straight from a FAANG SWE job to an involuntary psych ward patient for a month, which was followed by a half year brutal depression. I’ve done a lot of research and I think psychiatry is pseudoscience and antidepressants are largely placebo. I’m really on the mindfulness…

Thank you for sharing your experience. I have had a similar experience where the endless stress and burnout culture in the tech field led to total mental collapse about 5 years ago and I can't say I have fully recovered. How have you dealt with employment post meltdown? I have found better jobs since then, however, they all seem to introduce some level of anxiety to my life and I am contemplating leaving tech after 2…

If you are really burnt out and want to leave tech, I urge you to do it sooner than later. If you lack qualifications in whatever you want to do, you can still get them. Don't wait, follow your dream. Even if you fail, you'll have less regrets trying than going back to doing work you can't stand anymore.

I've burnt out multiple times and gone back in to tech only to get burnt out again and again, and have dragged my feet in switching careers, and have missed valuable years and decades that I could have been moving towards work I would have found more fulfilling, and now I'm finally trying that career change, but I wish I hadn't wasted all that time working in tech jobs I've lost absolutely all interest in and started to hate decades and decades ago.

Re: Tips for the depressed

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Things that help me when I feel depressed: - Listening to upbeat, energetic music and avoiding depressing music, which tends to make me feel worse - Walking outside on a clear, sunny day - Eating my favorite food - Playing a good game to get my mind off whatever it is that I'm obsessing about - If I am able to concentrate, reading something by a favorite author, listening to a good podcast, or watching a non-depressi…

> Listening to upbeat, energetic music and avoiding depressing music, which tends to make me feel worse

Anecdotally, this would have completely the opposite effect on me. If I was frustrated or down in high school I would listen to Whitehouse or something and get over it by virtue of the fact that there exists someone orders of magnitude more manic than I was. It made my feelings seem trivial in comparison.

Even when I'm not feeling down, listening to stereotypically upbeat music is sure to make me feel down. I would wonder how people could produce such an upbeat thing and speculate how such upbeatness could be acquired. Then I would conclude they're just in a separate plane of existence from me, unreachable by any means, and by then I'm feeling more down than I was.

This is when I'm not depressed.

> Time heals all wounds.

I can never bring myself to believe this, depressed or not. Some people are born a certain way, and there's no real cure for whatever condition they have. If it is meant that we only live a single lifetime then I'd be inclined to believe it, but in that case I don't think such a statement will help people questioning the value of staying alive.

Coincidentally I was reading Johnny Got His Gun the other night, which is probably an antithesis to this statement. Imagine you're a veteran, no arms, no legs, no mouth or eyes or ears or anything really except one's own mind. All of it blown off by shrapnel. Nothing but your own thoughts to pore over the details for the rest of your existence. Can time literally heal such wounds?

Depressed people, or people who aren't even depressed currently but have been through it enough times, will take any adage thrown at them and like a martial artist find some way to redirect the intended meaning behind the words into one which fulfills their personal outlook on life. You can mean perfectly well by saying such while it will end up having the opposite effect. And you might not even know this is the case when the other person says "thanks" or something. They know if they give the generic universally acknowledged upbeat, energetic response people expect, the other party will be satisfied and go away. Anything to make them so they won't have to listen to words that will never mean the same things again.

It's difficult to get through to people who do not think rationally. For all you know they might not even be seeking advice but merely validation that nobody really, truly cares enough to get to the bottom of their psyche, their desires, them, and instead regurgitate Inspirational Quote of the Week as if it were something resolvable over the course of a day. When they receive that validation it only solidifies their position.

I'm not saying you shouldn't try. I will not give mental health advice for these reasons.

But that's how it can go.

Re: Tips for the depressed

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I was depressed for sometime till I found I've low T, once I supplemented it depression disappeared. I wonder why doctors don't ask you to get your T level checked when they find you depressed instead of prescribing antidepressants.

How are you taking it?

Re: Tips for the depressed

#56

Someone here recommended David Burns' "The Feeling Good Handbook" and it was a very, very good read. I'm not going to say it turned my life around, but it taught me how to spot and disarm all kinds of cognitive distortions, defeat laziness, better align my expectations of others, assess my self worth positively... It's also well written, fast paced, and sometimes even funny. It includes lots of exercises that are pra…

I found Feeling Good to be stimulating while reading it but impossible to put into practice. Filling out worksheets of your emotions everyday is exhausting. The anecdotes of nearly instantaneous recoveries were unrealistic, and I've since read that therapists generally notice changes in their patients over years. The SSC take on therapy books strongly applies: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/11/20/book-review-all-therap...

> In a few hundred patients I’ve worked with, zero have had the sudden, extraordinary, long-lasting change that the therapy books promise. Many have benefited a little. A few would say that, over the course of years, their lives have been turned around. But sudden complete transformations? Not that much.

Re: Tips for the depressed

#57

One of the biggest force multipliers in overcoming depression is accepting that you can modulate your condition by taking small, deliberate actions. It's also one of the most difficult and delicate ideas to communicate to a depressed person. Depression notoriously clouds peoples' judgment and makes simple tasks seem impossible. Depression also encourages a lot of binary thinking, where people tend to give up because…

For me, doing those small things did seem impossible and even when I managed to achieve it, I didn't feel the reward. There didn't seem any point in making the bed if I felt the same whether the bed was made or not. Eventually I reached a mental place where I could turn that around: If it doesn't make a difference in how I feel, why not make the bed? I had to more or less take it on faith that eventually the rewards…

Coincidentally, I really see no point in making the bed. I wonder if I'm depressed.

Re: Tips for the depressed

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I largely agree with all the advice here. I dropped out of college due to depression, then I torched my tech career with a manic episode that led me straight from a FAANG SWE job to an involuntary psych ward patient for a month, which was followed by a half year brutal depression. I’ve done a lot of research and I think psychiatry is pseudoscience and antidepressants are largely placebo. I’m really on the mindfulness…

Thank you for sharing your experience. I have had a similar experience where the endless stress and burnout culture in the tech field led to total mental collapse about 5 years ago and I can't say I have fully recovered. How have you dealt with employment post meltdown? I have found better jobs since then, however, they all seem to introduce some level of anxiety to my life and I am contemplating leaving tech after 2…

From my experience most industries use and abuse people even worse. Sure my tech job is stressful but I've seen most other peoples jobs treat them worse AND compensate them for that less.

Re: Tips for the depressed

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There's some good stuff here, but it completely skips gratitude. Focusing on what you're grateful for is one of the more powerful and best proven methods to combat depression. I've been through clinical depression and consider it the key to my recovery.

There's evidence to suggest that this isn't the case.

https://news.osu.edu/gratitude-interventions-dont-help-with-...

Re: Tips for the depressed

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AFTER FIFTY YEARS, billions of dollars of intensive marketing campaigns, and tens of billions of dollars of profits for pharmaceutical companies, it is still far from clear that antidepressant drugs are any more effective than placebo. The only group of people who have demonstrably benefited from the widespread use of antidepressants are pharmaceutical executives and investors. I don't think this is accurate or helpf…

> I don't think this is accurate Yes it is accurate. It is very accurate. The garbage studies routinely dumped on us by Big Pharma have been continually debunked, reversed, and retracted after the raw data comes out (often in lawsuits). Nevermind the complete absence of long-term studies or any studies that reflect the actually usage of these drugs in the real world.

Here we go, actual data about SSRIs vs the placebo effect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/

It would be super cool if we all took the time to cite data that back up our assertions instead of just insisting that our ideas are correct.

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