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Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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The dangers of radiation on Mars are greatly exaggerated. The dangers of low gravity on Titan and elsewhere are greatly understated, as is the immense distance between Mars and Titan.

A floating habitat on Venus is harder and less attractive in every way than a rotating space station, which is clearly our next milestone in space. In terms of planets though, there's a reason Mars gets the most attention: it's obviously the best choice.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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Isn't the common scifi solution to drop some engineered bacteria into the atmosphere to convert the CO2 and generate a think ozone layer?

Let’s sort that out on Earth first. :p

Why yes, let's test out something that can kill billions on Earth before trying it on an uninhabited area.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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Getting stuff to mercury is hard though. IIRC it takes around 16,000 m/s of dV to get from LEO to the surface of mercury. Titan would take even more (19,000) but a huge chunk of it can be reduced by making use of aerobraking.

Going to mercury on rockets alone is a non-starter, because when you drop your perihelion low enough to rendezvous with it, your velocity near Mercury will be ridiculous, and there is not enough atmosphere at Mercury to shed the velocity so you have to do it the hard way. However, there is a very efficient trajectory that could be used by solar sailing ships for a fast, cheap route to Mercury once every 16 months. Yo…

Is there an estimate for how long that would take with a solar sail? If the window is every 16 months and the flight time is another year or more, I would imagine a large scale mission with multiple re-supply trips would be pretty difficult.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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Am I missing something here?

"On the surface, vast quantities of hydrocarbons in solid and liquid form lie ready to be used for energy. Although the atmosphere lacks oxygen, water ice just below the surface could be used to provide oxygen for breathing and to combust hydrocarbons as fuel." [my emphasis.]

They are proposing splitting water to get oxygen for burning hydrocarbons to produce energy - but splitting water itself takes a lot of energy, and low-entropy energy at that. Could this process possibly result in a net increase in useful energy?

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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> Fahrenheit is more appropriate unit because it represents human compatible temperature 0 being the freezing point of a mix of water, ice and ammonium chloride and 100 being almost the average human body temperature - or to put it another way, "a random number fixed to a variable". Neither of these are things I can instinctively understand as a human. Celcius on the other hand uses extremely hard to grasp concepts f…

0 degrees is "really fucking cold outside" and 100 degrees is "really fucking hot outside". Celsius resorts to negative numbers even for a normal snowy day while wasting about half of the positive two-digit numbers for temperatures that have never been recorded on Earth. It's a terrible scale for weather.

Having negative numbers for when water is in a different state is quite a convenient representation, especially for weather. To follow your scale, -50ºC is really cold (polar weather) and +50 is really hot (desert weather). Yes there are places hotter and colder but it's a continuum with convenient points that stick out less than a phase change of the liquid which is so integral to life, be it human, fauna or flora.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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Two thoughts on this topic: 1. The film Gattaca (1997), in addition to being an excellent, inspiring film all around, centers on an aspiring astronaut's upcoming trip to Titan. Highly recommended. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZa83dTf4JA 2. The colonization of Venus is also a fascinating idea that isn't talked about much in comparison to the Moon or Mars. Essentially, the surface is too hot for colonization, but…

I like the terraforming idea better, and we could get it started with todays technology, it would just be really expensive - simply build a bunch of solar shade cells and assemble them in L1 orbit between Venus and the Sun, and keep expanding the network until you cover Venus in night. Then let the planet cool for a couple hundred years - a lot of that thick sulphuric atmosphere might solidify and fall to the ground and get the atmosphere down to workable levels.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

#208
Nitpicking, but ... If one says :

>> We reached this conclusion after looking at the planets in a new way: ecologically

then, why can he say :

>> Housing could be made of plastic produced from the unlimited resources harvested

Ecology is also about realizing that resources are limited.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

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> It’s cold on Titan, at -180°C (-291°F), but thanks to its thick atmosphere, residents wouldn’t need pressure suits—just warm clothing and respirators. I'm no space colony expert but am I missing something here? -180°C sounds like constant space suit level, not "just warm clothing".

Yeah...-291F, an unbreathable atmosphere, and the atmospheric pressure is high enough you might want something to moderate it. Maybe not a ISS space suit, but we're not talking long underwear, warm boots and a pullover.

Re: Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth where humans could live

#210
It is deeply disturbing to see a lot of effort put into colonizing another planet, while rampant pollution increases at Planet Earth. While science advances, at what opportunity cost?

It Remains to be Seen if we have Spoiled the Nest. <--

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