Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Rule By Law" This is sorta what all the mass surveillance and tracking is about, or at least enables: To ruin the life of any potential dissident. If they can't dig up any dirt from your history, they'll inject it.
Isn't it a known CIA or FBI technique to imply people are "weird" in some fashion, so that the public doesn't look into cases too much. Like it used to be people accused by them were implied to be homosexual, transexual, furries, weird sex things, etc. Now it's child porn, so that no one would want to look into it too much or want to defend the accused person too much.
Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
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Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#72My favorite thing about the case is how he sued the government for $50 billion for violating his 2nd Amendment rights and preventing him from becoming the next Bill Gates while in prison, and also for missing out on teaching his little brother the true answer to the tabs v spaces debate. Every single word of that was true. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1121882678725357570 complaint at https://www.courtlistene…
While I agree that those parts are funny, I would encourage people to read the entire complaint. In that same paragraph, for instance, you have some other, not-so-funny parts:
> I've lost 40lbs as my health has severely deteriorated as has my parents' as the stress, frustration, and depression have affected more than just me. I receive no dental and minimal medical treatment for my congenital heart defect. I've lost all my hair and what remains is turning gray - and all before I turned 30.
(Note that, while he didn't have much hair to begin with, court sketches do show him with gray hair[1]).
Sure, some of the complaints he presents are not super reasonable, but some of the other ones definitely are. And I believe that, if someone asked me to "write every single complaint you have about your three-years arrest", I'm not sure I would fare a lot better.
[1] https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/joshua-schulte...
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#73I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it seems awfully convenient that a guy that knows how to nuke his hard disk to protect himself from the CIA, only nukes the the hard disk he downloaded the WikiLeaks transfer program on, and then forgets to nuke the hard disk riddled with child porn.
> ...then forgets to nuke the hard disk riddled with child porn.
He kept the porn in an encrypted partition with the password on his phone, which the Feds had access to. They also have transcripts of his messages with child porn forum members. It's detailed in this FBI affidavit:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183...
Strong warning: the details re the porn are extremely disturbing.
IMHO, the CIA leak is the least of his troubles.
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
To contemplate the actions of the CIA is to be a "conspiracy theorist". What does the CIA do all day, every day, besides "conspire"?
To speak of conveniences and "cui bono?" instead of disinterested analysis of the evidence is to be a conspiracy theorist. Of course they conspire all day, because any covert action can be called a conspiracy. It doesn't necessarily lead one to think they're conspiracies in the sense of planting child pornography on a US citizen suspect's computer. One can't rule anything out when you're dealing with intelligence age…
> is there a single known instance of the US government ever doing such a thing?
Not that I’m aware of, but they’ve done a lot worse in the past (arming opposition to democratically elected governments, then turning against them later; drugging people without their consent or knowledge; etc) so its not particularly crazy to think that they’re willing or capable to do such things.
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Rule By Law" This is sorta what all the mass surveillance and tracking is about, or at least enables: To ruin the life of any potential dissident. If they can't dig up any dirt from your history, they'll inject it.
Speculation or do you have empirical data to back that up?
A lot was speculation until Snowden happened.
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#76I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but it seems awfully convenient that a guy that knows how to nuke his hard disk to protect himself from the CIA, only nukes the the hard disk he downloaded the WikiLeaks transfer program on, and then forgets to nuke the hard disk riddled with child porn.
More we talk, more acts gets lost.
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#77If a trial I was on a jury for involved the CIA, I'd just find innocent. Evidence is easy to fabricate with the time and expertise and that's a major part of what they do. Digital evidence is the flimsest kind generally and the easiest to fake...
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's a stretch to be honest, the thing is, while he might be completely guilty of leaking and the CIA know just can't prove. He wen't up against the CIA. This is a body who has the ability (allegedly of course) to restructure other governments. If it is a bogus charge.. Would anyone here really be surprised ? I mean really ? I don't think the people who would say : 'Nah wouldn't surprise me' are tinfoil…
Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No. Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed…
Have you seen how many times they failed to assassinate Fidel Castro? Stupid is as stupid does and the CIA are the greatest idiots of all times. Not even their foes could dream of creating a quagmire that destroyed public acceptance of the draft and created so many disabled veterans that it lead to the ADA after two world wars with antibiotics boosting survival rates of previously mortal injuries.
Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#79If a trial I was on a jury for involved the CIA, I'd just find innocent. Evidence is easy to fabricate with the time and expertise and that's a major part of what they do. Digital evidence is the flimsest kind generally and the easiest to fake...
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Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury
#80My favorite thing about the case is how he sued the government for $50 billion for violating his 2nd Amendment rights and preventing him from becoming the next Bill Gates while in prison, and also for missing out on teaching his little brother the true answer to the tabs v spaces debate. Every single word of that was true. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1121882678725357570 complaint at https://www.courtlistene…
While I agree that those parts are funny, I would encourage people to read the entire complaint. In that same paragraph, for instance, you have some other, not-so-funny parts: > I've lost 40lbs as my health has severely deteriorated as has my parents' as the stress, frustration, and depression have affected more than just me. I receive no dental and minimal medical treatment for my congenital heart defect. I've lost…
I respect the troll job, and it shows some level of intelligence, competence, and humor. I've read a decent number of pro se complaints, including some brought by prisoners, and you could do a lot worse. I don't know if he'll get anywhere with it, the case is stayed while the criminal case is going on, but I wish him the best of luck. Nobody deserves torture conditions, even if he's guilty of everything they accused him of.
And frankly, if he hadn't included those parts, chances are I wouldn't have seen it, or wouldn't have remembered it and wouldn't post it here. If his goal was to get more attention to the torture allegations, that probably worked.