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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by atomi »

briandear wrote: post #445
tanilama wrote: post #309

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Trump's performance so far is a massive disappointment to say the least, and more of a parody even by Trump's standard. I am not sure what he is doing is even remotely serving himself that well either. Addressing the Coronavirus upfront is the only way to cheer up the market right now. Did he really think he can just fight this virus with speech or tweets? This is bothering me no end, and severely impact my confidenc…

And if the shit doesn’t hit that fan will Trump be credited with restraint? Of course not. Literally no matter what he does people on the left will hate him for it.

That comes with the territory. However partisan comments like yours never seem to address the issue.

Is this administration doing what it should be doing to mitigate the spread of this pandemic?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by FooBarWidget »

starfallg wrote: post #410
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #274

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The CCP claims new cases are almost eliminated outside of Wuhan city limits; that'd be a hard thing to fake if it were really churning along at peak strength.

This is actually the hardest to believe. The virus has run it course in Wuhan and it is likely dieing down as a significant number of people having developed immunity to it. But outside of Wuhan, there is likely a number of infected persons in the population still transmitting it and waiting to resurface into more serious cases after people get back to work.

I have family in China outside Hubei province. If COVID-19 really did spread widely to the rest of China then I would have known it, and hospitals would have absolutely been overwhelmed.

There are even multiple foreigners in China who can confirm the situation. Checkout the Youtube videos by Daniel Dumbrill in February.

Might there still be hidden carriers in the population? Absolutely. China must remain vigilant. This stuff is hard.

My wife is considering flying back to China if things get worse here in the Netherlands. I agree with her: I also think that by now China is probably safer than anywhere else in the world. Multiple provinces have downgraded their emergency level, some are even virus free. Within Wuhan, multiple temporary hospitals have closed because they are no longer needed. People are slowly getting back to work. Containment efforts are shifting from ‘preventing the virus from getting out’ to ‘prevent it from getting in from foreign countries’.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by mrexroad »

davidw wrote: post #398
fragsworth wrote: post #363

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We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

Something we can all do as individuals is stop going out to unnecessary things. I'm avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms and large groups.

ah, the joys of being deeply introverted. avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms, and large groups -- why, that's my ideal day.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by mariushn »

muyuan wrote: post #296
moultano wrote: post #271

This is an account from one of the doctors in Italy. https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714289107769753... Read the whole thing, but this passage in particular is just chilling. "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are start…

I am a Chinese living in Bay Area. What's described by the Italian doctor was exactly like the situation in Wuhan right after the lockdown for the first 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, I think it will hit Italy harder this time, China locked down Wuhan but every other provinces send in supplies and doctors to help, just building new hospitals is not enough, and I don't see France/Germany doing the same to Italy. The US res…

[sarcasm] Because the virus is fake news:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12370273563148697...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12370245512943820...

I'm amazed not only at these affirmations, but at the likes they get. Incredible.

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Post by Scarblac »

muyuan wrote: post #296
moultano wrote: post #271

This is an account from one of the doctors in Italy. https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714289107769753... Read the whole thing, but this passage in particular is just chilling. "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are start…

I am a Chinese living in Bay Area. What's described by the Italian doctor was exactly like the situation in Wuhan right after the lockdown for the first 2-3 weeks. Unfortunately, I think it will hit Italy harder this time, China locked down Wuhan but every other provinces send in supplies and doctors to help, just building new hospitals is not enough, and I don't see France/Germany doing the same to Italy. The US res…

They didn't believe what happened in Wuhan would happen to them, mostly because of racist superiority I think. Surely our hospitals must be better than China's, we are healthier, et cetera.

And people distrust anything coming out of China's government so they simultaneously think China covered up a lot and there were way more dead, and they exaggerated how bad the virus is...

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Post by narrator »

gran_colombia wrote: post #324
xienze wrote: post #307

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> He's behaving entirely consistently with how he always has: deny everything, project perfection. > There's no signal here of a secret weapon, it's a complete shit show. Can't really disagree, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the way people in the US are talking about the response now. Was the US MSM not spending all of January and February telling us "calm down, you know the common flu kills WAY more peo…

You talk about the MSM as if it was a thing, and not a term of propaganda. It may explain the confusion.

The MSM means the stuff every local tv news outlet repeats word for word verbatim:

Conan O'Brien has some great segments on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM8L7bdwVaA

They also do this for serious political stuff, repeating the same phrases over and over again, but posting those video compilations would just invite downvotes.

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Post by Bombthecat »

fragsworth wrote: post #363
mantap wrote: post #315

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

I think worse.

But i askari think it will go exactly like the Spanish flu. We will have a second wave which will also kill the younger.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by genev »

kaiabwpdjqn wrote: post #312
moultano wrote: post #271

This is an account from one of the doctors in Italy. https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714289107769753... Read the whole thing, but this passage in particular is just chilling. "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are start…

What do the healthcare workers actually do while caring for these people? Is this something that actually requires significant medical knowledge? What does arrest mean? Is that cardiac arrest? Is that how people are dying? If they’re dying and people aren’t attending, should they even be there at all?

Arrest means either cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest.

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Post by adrianN »

ppg677 wrote: post #367
fragsworth wrote: post #363

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We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.

It might not be. Lower population density and a lack of public transportation. I would worry about NYC though.

Lots of workers who can't stay home when they're sick without losing their job though.

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Post by adrianN »

rlt wrote: post #433
shalmanese wrote: post #322

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It's not just the US though, you have other countries in Europe handling this abysmally like The Netherlands. Indonesia is still in the "pray to make it go away" stage despite multiple cases in Singapore being traced back to Indonesian travel (including one rich Indonesian who couldn't find anyone to treat them in Indonesia so deliberately flew to Singapore on a private plane to get healthcare).

To be clear, I don't believe the following (Hanlon's razor, etc), but it would make a good dystopian/thriller: As some point one might consider if governments see COVID-19 as an opportunity to "cull the herd". Japan and Italy have the two largest aging populations of any countries. The US has a large number of citizens with COVID-19 comorbidities. I'm not sure if the long term savings on entitlements and health care…

Pretty much by definition in countries with large populations of old people, the current governments largely rely on the vote of those old people to stay in power. This makes the cull-the-herd theory rather unlikely in my opinion. I think simple incompetence is a sufficient explanation.
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