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Tesla produces its millionth car

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Re: Tesla produces its millionth car

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That's a pretty impressive milestone. Cheers for the hard work from Tesla employees!

What exactly is impressive? Leaf has more than that in prod already.

I can understand critiquing Tesla's business models, their claims about the cars, their financial status, or even Musk's character. But calling what Tesla has done over the last 10 years unimpressive makes no sense to me.

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That's a pretty impressive milestone. Cheers for the hard work from Tesla employees!

What exactly is impressive? Leaf has more than that in prod already.

You're getting a lot of flak but this was my reaction too. The mistake was comparing it to the leaf instead of all cars the company produced and confronting the futurist hype train head-on. This is 2020, a million cars isn't impressive. Fuel efficient hybrids have done more to help the climate than Tesla has. Just look at Europe, electric cars are so practical and efficient that countries are working to ban their competition.

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What exactly is impressive? Leaf has more than that in prod already.

I can understand critiquing Tesla's business models, their claims about the cars, their financial status, or even Musk's character. But calling what Tesla has done over the last 10 years unimpressive makes no sense to me.

They produce great cars that people love, but people generally love high-end very expensive cars.

A Nissan Leaf is not as nice of a car as a Tesla Model 3 in pretty much any way, but it also costs 3/4 of the price. Meanwhile, the Leaf is profitable per-car, and the base model Tesla Model 3 is barely break-even per-car, even with the very aggressive accounting that Tesla uses. Tesla can't keep producing base Model 3's at the price they are selling them for (even at over $40k), they are a loss leader to look competitive on price, the profitable version is well over $50k without government subsidies that will end this year (and the performance model is over $60k). A leaf is around $30k.

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The one thing I don't get is that everybody assumes there is unlimited demand for Tesla cars, Tesla just needs to be able to produce. But realistically, let's assume that in 1-2 years government subsidies will end then how many people will still want an EV for a price tag of minimum 30k & can afford it? All that Tesla produces are cars for the premium segment despite some mass market rhetoric.

I think there is a massive market of young people that would love to own a Tesla when they reach the required income level. It’s a green product, from a company with grand ambitions to address climate change, and an incredible car. Everyone I know who has one loves it, and most who get to drive them, wish they had one. It feels like the future, and 30k isn’t a crazy price for the value if offers.

As a young(ish) person, what would most interest me in an electric car is essentially an electrified Corolla. I don't derive any value from performance, features, or looks. I care about safety, reliability, range, and cost.

A Model 3 with 500km of range is over triple the price of a Corolla and a Leaf is over double the price in my market - they just don't make financial sense until they drastically drop in price.

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It's great what tesla has done to push electric vehicles to the point of a status symbol, and prove their viability as an every day driving car. Tesla is a remarkable company, but they are terrible at building and delivering cars, which is very much the primary competence needed to succeed as a company that sells cars. Their production rates have dramatically trailed their promises, and while they are valued at aroun…

Tesla is just starting to ramp up their gigafactories. The one in Reno is still only 20-25% built. Plus china, new one in Germany, and rumors of one soon to be announced in Brazil.

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What exactly is impressive? Leaf has more than that in prod already.

You're getting a lot of flak but this was my reaction too. The mistake was comparing it to the leaf instead of all cars the company produced and confronting the futurist hype train head-on. This is 2020, a million cars isn't impressive. Fuel efficient hybrids have done more to help the climate than Tesla has. Just look at Europe, electric cars are so practical and efficient that countries are working to ban their com…

Tesla basically created the electric car sector. Almost every major car company has or will have an electric out in order to compete.

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What exactly is impressive? Leaf has more than that in prod already.

This article claims Tesla is the first to have made 1 million electric vehicles. Is this incorrect?

The way it is stated "No other automaker has achieved that kind of volume when it comes to producing long-range electric passenger cars." gives them some wiggle room in their claim. Still, it is a very impressive feat for an automobile startup.

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It's great what tesla has done to push electric vehicles to the point of a status symbol, and prove their viability as an every day driving car. Tesla is a remarkable company, but they are terrible at building and delivering cars, which is very much the primary competence needed to succeed as a company that sells cars. Their production rates have dramatically trailed their promises, and while they are valued at aroun…

Tesla is just starting to ramp up their gigafactories. The one in Reno is still only 20-25% built. Plus china, new one in Germany, and rumors of one soon to be announced in Brazil.

Even the factory they have now is not very well automated and it shows in the price and their ability to deliver cars at volume. Maybe they will improve that over time, but that's like saying maybe RedHat will make a desktop OS that displaces Windows and OSX, it's possible if they do the hard part - which they haven't been able to do so far. The hardest part about being a car company is building the cars.

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The question sounded like a challenge, so how about Autopilot? Even for two wheelers. I think going forward the autonomous driving will be even stronger differentiator.

How would you keep your balance on a self driving motorcycle? You would always have to pay attention to the road.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-03/ford-s-tw...

Re: Tesla produces its millionth car

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It's great what tesla has done to push electric vehicles to the point of a status symbol, and prove their viability as an every day driving car. Tesla is a remarkable company, but they are terrible at building and delivering cars, which is very much the primary competence needed to succeed as a company that sells cars. Their production rates have dramatically trailed their promises, and while they are valued at aroun…

> I think if I had to make a guess, Tesla will be in the same chapter in the history of cars as DeLorian and Duesenberg.

I don't actually know what chapter that would be. Delorean was around for 3 years, and made ~9000 cars. Duesenberg (of which I had never heard) made race cars, somewhere under 1000... There really isn't a good comparison to be made with Tesla.

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