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Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by littlestymaar »

HBKXNCUO wrote: post #814
tripzilch wrote: post #810

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> > The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. > You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Cause I don't think it's re…

>See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Does stamping out racism to you involve preventing people from freely and equally participating in the political process? By which I mean being able to utilize the same means to advocate for their interests and political beliefs as any other law-abiding group would be - able to gather in public spaces without fear of physical retaliat…

The big issue with your reasoning: racism isn't an opinion, it's a crime. You're talking about freedom, but for good reason you wouldn't give the jihadists the rights you're claiming.

Neither fascists nor Muslim terrorists deserve those rights. And if you say it's not comparable, please reminds that for the past 12 months, there has been more terror attacks committed by white racists than Muslim jihadists in Western countries.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by HBKXNCUO »

littlestymaar wrote: post #830
HBKXNCUO wrote: post #770

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> You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. Interestingly enough, this argument works equally well for immigrants. Some fascists have no problem with the idea of a civil war in that context though…

It is a whole lot easier to expel immigrants than it is to expel a large chunk of the native population, but yes you are correct. Everything I have said applies equally well to immigrants, though immigrants will tend to have fewer expectations about being treated equally.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by HBKXNCUO »

littlestymaar wrote: post #831
HBKXNCUO wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Does stamping out racism to you involve preventing people from freely and equally participating in the political process? By which I mean being able to utilize the same means to advocate for their interests and political beliefs as any other law-abiding group would be - able to gather in public spaces without fear of physical retaliat…

The big issue with your reasoning: racism isn't an opinion, it's a crime. You're talking about freedom, but for good reason you wouldn't give the jihadists the rights you're claiming. Neither fascists nor Muslim terrorists deserve those rights. And if you say it's not comparable, please reminds that for the past 12 months, there has been more terror attacks committed by white racists than Muslim jihadists in Western…

>The big issue with your reasoning: racism isn't an opinion, it's a crime.

Some manifestations of it are in some jurisdictions. How is that an issue with my reasoning?

>You're talking about freedom, but for good reason you wouldn't give the jihadists the rights you're claiming. Neither fascists nor Muslim terrorists deserve those rights.

Do you want a civil war against these "fascists"?

>And if you say it's not comparable, please reminds that for the past 12 months, there has been more terror attacks committed by white racists than Muslim jihadists in Western countries.

How many white racists do you think there are in Western countries?

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by _nkl1 »

_nkl1 wrote: post #156
rococode wrote: post #46

I've been checking for updates on the virus several times a day since it first started being reported in Western media around Jan 20 (in part because it's been a fun distraction, in part because I have friends in Wuhan). I like to think I'm generally an optimist, but I think it's been clear for several weeks now that this is going to have a significant worldwide impact. There are just too many factors in favor of unc…

> I think when this all comes to an end, China will be one of the countries that dealt with the virus the best. Countries without authoritarian governments likely don't have the means to effectively quarantine major cities and shut down massive portions of their economy immediately without major problems arising. Given a couple weeks, sure, but by then it will be too late. It may well seem that way in retrospect. Whe…

I take it all back. We (the US) are not any better.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by antepodius »

littlestymaar wrote: post #831
HBKXNCUO wrote: post #814

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>See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Does stamping out racism to you involve preventing people from freely and equally participating in the political process? By which I mean being able to utilize the same means to advocate for their interests and political beliefs as any other law-abiding group would be - able to gather in public spaces without fear of physical retaliat…

The big issue with your reasoning: racism isn't an opinion, it's a crime. You're talking about freedom, but for good reason you wouldn't give the jihadists the rights you're claiming. Neither fascists nor Muslim terrorists deserve those rights. And if you say it's not comparable, please reminds that for the past 12 months, there has been more terror attacks committed by white racists than Muslim jihadists in Western…

It would be pretty hypocritical not to.

Ideally, we put ourselves into a situation where it's not a matter of 'giving rights', but removing the ability to remove the ability for people to communicate from people.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by dang »

tasogare wrote: post #508
littlestymaar wrote: post #313

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> Do you really think it will be any different in the USA or Europe? Will the governments ban conventions? Close restaurants and bars? Shut down shopping malls? Look at Italy right now. > Or will instead, in the interest of "the economy" (ie, money) keep too light a hand on things. Sure, but this has nothing to do with authoritarian states vs democracy. You'll find a ton of authoritarian states doing exactly the same…

> I'm French, and we've been lucky so far, but I expect chaos when it's going to start. The government has long lost all political legitimity here, and people absolutely distrust them, so I don't think they will not peacefully comply to government attempt to limit the propagation. Lot of French follows the rules. They will complain (a lot!) about and break them here or there but I expect most real French to mostly fo…

You started a wretched flamewar with this comment. We ban accounts that do this. Please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by infinity0 »

starfallg wrote: post #802
infinity0 wrote: post #782

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> the people infected in Hubei be at 60,000 or so now. The people infected in Hubei are at about 60k or so now. Actually slightly lower. Were you trying to say something else?? 60k is pretty impressive considering all the other apocalyptic "worse case" scenarios being published in various academic journals a few weeks ago based on "conservative models".

Won't be. And 60k is not pretty impressive considering that many people already died without a proper diagnosis and was not included in the official counts. There is no trust that the reported numbers are reflective of the situation on the ground - in fact it is likely to be the tip of the iceberg.

It is impressive, Wuhan has 11 million people. Would you have done better?

> There is no trust that the reported numbers are reflective of the situation on the ground - in fact it is likely to be the tip of the iceberg.

The numbers are confirmed test cases, which will always be an underestimate of the true situation regardless of the government supplying the numbers. There's no indication to suggest that it's the "tip of the iceberg" especially since the "current case" numbers have been consistently decreasing for the past several weeks.

It rather seems that you've been so convinced by the sheer amount of anti-Chinese-government-propaganda, that even positive facts can't change your prejudice that everything they do is negative.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by irq11 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #437
irq11 wrote: post #207

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”COVID-19 is unlike anything before” It’s almost exactly like every other respiratory virus, except that the case fatality estimates for old and sick people are higher. There’s nothing mechanistically new about the infections we’re seeing. It’s a pretty bog-standard respiratory virus, in terms of its transmission and overall virulence. ”But if COVID-19 spreads to their country, people's daily lives will be significan…

I see you’re still hard at work spreading the falsehood that “it’s just like the flu, unless you’re old or sick”. 1. I find the lack of concern about dramatically higher mortality rates for the old and the sick to be reprehensible. They’re people, even if they’re older or sicker than you. 2. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense for China to shut down the economy over something so minor. 3. The hospitalization r…

The virus is like the flu unless you’re old or sick. More specifically:

0) In the case of the parent, I was saying that the virus spreads and infects people in the same manner as other upper respiratory viruses. It does, this is a fact, and fatality rates are not relevant.

1) I’ve never said that I have no concern about old or sick people. I said that young healthy people should not panic.

2) It would indeed be concerning if hospitals are overwhelmed. Currently, they are not (anywhere) and therefore, again, people should not panic.

3) Comparing tiny ratios with large error bars and freaking out over a “20x” difference in relative risk is pointless; the risk is still quite low. It also overlooks the far more relevant fact that you’re thousands of times more likely to get the flu than covid-19. At this point, you should not panic.

Get the idea? The relative risk to most people is lower than...well, most things in life. That’s why my argument is, and continues to be, that most people, in most places, should not panic.

Re: Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus not contained

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Post by HBKXNCUO »

oska wrote: post #826
HBKXNCUO wrote: post #693

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Which method do you think is less likely to result in flags / bans on message boards these days?

Well, looking at this sub-thread, I've just watched you keep your cool while pasabagi throws insults at you. So I would hope their behaviour would be more likely to result in bans.

It looks like even putting it nicely did not save tasogare's comment from our most brave and wonderful moderator.

Many of mine were also flagged, despite me being extremely polite.

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